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·On most original first generations I have seen the first 20minutes markers are of a different style and the top triangle has a naïve touch.
Polerouter Sub - A Typology
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gop76
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I did send a message to the seller without too much hope. Look at this case, this one is the worse fake case i have seen so far....
How can he sell it stating the pitting is normal on those, but don't worry there is no ding to the case.....
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·I did send a message to the seller without too much hope. Look at this case, this one is the worse fake case i have seen so far....
How can he sell it stating the pitting is normal on those, but don't worry there is no ding to the case.....
He's an experienced seller with good feedback, i don't believe he'll let the auction run 'till the end after your alert... Or, i don't wanna believe...
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LaurentBxl
·He's an experienced seller with good feedback, i don't believe he'll let the auction run 'till the end after your alert... Or, i don't wanna believe...
You were right, he replied to me with a very friendly message and stopped the auction....
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·You were right, he replied to me with a very friendly message and stopped the auction....
Up again, this time with disclaimer:
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·What about the gap between the "gene" and "ve". Do we think the dial is original or one of the fakes out of Australia? Thread here https://omegaforums.net/threads/early-polerouter-sub-discussion.3630/
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Mazoue
·I'm not sure there are many positives about this watch. It has all of the tell-tale signs of an Australian fake. The dial does have the gap between "Gene" and "ve" and the "Swiss" text on the dial appears to be partially hidden. As discussed above the dull and heavily pitted case is dreadful even compared with some of the fakes we've seen previously. The crowns are crude and shiny and the movement shows signs of surface wear consistent with it being sat in a drawer before being matched with this case and dial. The hands have also been relumed and the lume is very messy on the minute hand.
I have to say that I've not been convinced by any second execution Polerouter Sub I've seen however I don't have any greater insight/knowledge than those that have discussed this issue previously on this forum.
I have to say that I've not been convinced by any second execution Polerouter Sub I've seen however I don't have any greater insight/knowledge than those that have discussed this issue previously on this forum.
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·i'm with Mazoue 200% on this one. Case and crows are fake and very crude ones. Movement shows much wear, and seems to come from a drawer. Lume on the hands is terribly executed. That leaves us with the dial, where i hesitate between a bad batch (space in Geneve) and a fake. Mayby they just builded the watch around the dial I don't know. Has anyone seen a mint gen 2? I have have yet to see one...
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styggpyggeno1
·This thread is sometimes rather depressing. The fakes sort of takes over.
Here is a first execution dial and bezel. NOS (but shop worn and torn).
Naive painting on bezel is hilarious - I wonder who they put in for that work? An extra for sure.
I know the picture could be better and some day I will take them out of their wrapping again - hopefully when I have found the rest of the watch.
Here is a first execution dial and bezel. NOS (but shop worn and torn).
Naive painting on bezel is hilarious - I wonder who they put in for that work? An extra for sure.
I know the picture could be better and some day I will take them out of their wrapping again - hopefully when I have found the rest of the watch.
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styggpyggeno1
·From the same stash - an unknown Polerouter sub dial. It would be fun to know its history. I do not have high hopes though.
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·very fine dials, and good luck with the hunt for the rest of the watch, won't be easy...
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styggpyggeno1
·No, I have been on it - from time to time - for some years now.
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Mazoue
·I've just listed a first execution first generation Polerouter Sub on Chronotrader if anyone is interested.
It's an absolute belter in my opinion - entirely original, great condition and good provenance.
Lots more photos and information on Chronotrader
http://www.chronocentric.com/forums/chronotrader/index.cgi?page=1;md=read;id=58677
It's an absolute belter in my opinion - entirely original, great condition and good provenance.
Lots more photos and information on Chronotrader
http://www.chronocentric.com/forums/chronotrader/index.cgi?page=1;md=read;id=58677
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·Mazoue,
Thanks for sharing. It is not every day that a good one is offered for sale.... Is the tension ring original? It looks like a replacement to me but I might be wrong. Is the inner bezel rotating freely. Also what was wrong with the original Chrystal? I'm asking because those chrystals and inner rings are nearly impossible to source...
Cheers
Thanks for sharing. It is not every day that a good one is offered for sale.... Is the tension ring original? It looks like a replacement to me but I might be wrong. Is the inner bezel rotating freely. Also what was wrong with the original Chrystal? I'm asking because those chrystals and inner rings are nearly impossible to source...
Cheers
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Mazoue
·The inner bezel is rotating freely as you would expect and the tension ring is original.
I understand that in order to incorporate this ring with a new crystal, it required some lathe work by the watchmaker on the new crystal.
The condition of the old crystal was not too bad and it could certainly be used if someone wanted the watch to be all original, which is why I have kept it. It has very few scratches but it has one small chip on the edge which you would not be able to polish out and what looks to be very small cracks on the sides.
I understand that in order to incorporate this ring with a new crystal, it required some lathe work by the watchmaker on the new crystal.
The condition of the old crystal was not too bad and it could certainly be used if someone wanted the watch to be all original, which is why I have kept it. It has very few scratches but it has one small chip on the edge which you would not be able to polish out and what looks to be very small cracks on the sides.
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Mazoue
·At the 8,000 GBP (or 10,000 USD equivalently) mark, did I pitch this at about the right level?
We've seen numerous dubious second execution examples recently but very few, if any, first executions have hit the market as far as I'm aware and therefore it was not easy to determine an appropriate asking price.
We've seen numerous dubious second execution examples recently but very few, if any, first executions have hit the market as far as I'm aware and therefore it was not easy to determine an appropriate asking price.
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styggpyggeno1
·It looks like the Universal Geneve text is gilt or yellow compared to the Polerouter Sub text. Not seen that before.
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Mazoue
·You are absolutely right. The ink on the dial for the Universal Geneve text is more golden and looks to be the same as the ink used for the Automatic text and the hour markers on the dial. The ink used for the Polerouter Sub text is more silvery in tone and similar to the ink used for the 30, 40 and 50 on the inner bezel.
I have absolutely no doubt that it is genuine however. When viewed under a loupe, the text is all crisp and clear and the different fonts with their serifs etc are evident. Below is an extreme close-up photo of the text on my watch taken hastily using a macro lens and an iPhone in my shaky hand.
I do agree that not all first execution models seem to have the text in 2 different colours although from what I can tell this example, owned at the time by another forum member, looks to be the same: https://omegaforums.net/threads/early-polerouter-sub-discussion.3630/page-2#post-166711
I have absolutely no doubt that it is genuine however. When viewed under a loupe, the text is all crisp and clear and the different fonts with their serifs etc are evident. Below is an extreme close-up photo of the text on my watch taken hastily using a macro lens and an iPhone in my shaky hand.
I do agree that not all first execution models seem to have the text in 2 different colours although from what I can tell this example, owned at the time by another forum member, looks to be the same: https://omegaforums.net/threads/early-polerouter-sub-discussion.3630/page-2#post-166711
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styggpyggeno1
·I understand how you might have misunderstood my post. Your dial looks fine - I just stated that I had not seen one like it before.
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