MOD NOTE: I've moved posts relevant to this discussion out of the "UG Watches on Ebay thread" to their own discussion. What is under discussion is the differences between the two types of 1st Generation Poletrouter Sub, pictured below The watch on the left is referred to as the 2nd execution, and the one of the right is a 1st execution. The commentary concerns an Ebay listing of a 2nd execution, like the watch at the left of the above pic http://www.ebay.com/itm/281058259014 END MOD NOTE The case looks OK even if I have seen "fatter" lugs - second generation. Crowns look OK. Difficult to see the movement cal but I think it is a 69 because of the rotor configuration. Movement might be newer than the rest but I am not sure. Dial looks OK but pics are not great...I would say patina looks very much like the one Paul has on Heuerworld. It shares another thing with Pauls - the "T": s in automatic is a little misplaced, upwards, related to the other letters. And of course the second generation "fun fact" that you explored - the Genè ve. Compared to the first generation dial, with the smaller lumedots within the bigger white indexes, the second generation dials have a sloppier font and from what I have seen no serifs. See below. I have seen some variation in "sloppiness" and this one is among the worst (from what I can see in the pics). Bezel has really fat numbers in 40 - they seem to have no space between them, but it could just be a production variation. When I go thru the pictures I have saved, there are a lot of bezels with the same problem - sometimes between 2 and 0, sometimes 3 and 0, etc. Probably just bad quality control. Hands look OK - right length. Maybe lighter patina than dial but difficult to see/say for sure.. In my collected pics there is a variation in how the movement sits in the case and how, and where it is fastened and/but this one falls within the variation. What have I missed, LouS? regards JE First gen with serifs: pic borrowed - look at small serifs and a more stringent font (compared with below) My own pic Secon gen - the one in the auction we are discussing, smudged letters and compared with the above - also different font. The lume patina is within normal for its age - bleeding and moving around. Edit - I mean the smudging of the "Polerouter" - not the out of focus smudge. Maybe a I should reserv myself - one have to take into consideration the possibility of a bad crystal also.