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cvalue13
·Wannabe Redneck ?
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Dig deeper, @watchyouwant - I expect better burns from you!
Anyways, when you’re born in a trailer park in Arkansas (like me) you skip wannabe and go directly meta-redneck.
Let's discuss the future of neo-vintage Speedmasters!
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Dig deeper, @watchyouwant - I expect better burns from you!
Anyways, when you’re born in a trailer park in Arkansas (like me) you skip wannabe and go directly meta-redneck.
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Dan S
·Setting aside everything else, I do find interesting the notion of the Tritium vs Luminova crossover as it relates to collector desirability in the distant future.
Lume patina obviously plays a sizable roll in current vintage watch collecting today. But how might that morph in the next 20 years (when 2000 models are 40 years old)? Won’t it have to?
I'm sure people will find things to distinguish and value about early 2000s dials in the distant future, but I don't think that will make tritium dials less desirable. I'm just repeating what I said earlier, so I apologize, but at this moment, I do think that the tritium/luminova boundary is the obvious value differentiator that hasn't quite matured yet. There will certainly be other things to distinguish watches in the future, but they are very hard to predict. So would it be a good idea to buy ten sharp 14060 Subs or 3590.50 Speedies from the early 90s with nice yellow patina and B&P and put them away for 20 years. Yes, I tend to think you'd do quite well. Is it the best investment in vintage watches? No way. But it's a factor I'd consider at the margins. For example, if I were deciding between a late 90s example with tritium and an early 2000s with luminova, I would definitely go for the former. Of course, more practical people will say I'm stupid to buy the watch with dead lume.
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Radiozoop
·Thanks! I really would like to get a birth-year Speedy, but the tritium vs. Lumi debate has intriguing consequences which may lead me to saving a bit longer. I figured that the post-2000 examples would be steady but as we all know the market can fluctuate heavily based on a few well-placed YouTube videos (unfortunate as it is).
On another note, going to school as a middle aged adult sucks. I left the service for engineering school and at times I regret it, but the vintage Speedmaster posters on my wall keep the motivation high.
I'm sure people will find things to distinguish and value about early 2000s dials in the distant future, but I don't think that will make tritium dials less desirable. I'm just repeating what I said earlier, so I apologize, but at this moment, I do think that the tritium/luminova boundary is the obvious value differentiator that hasn't quite matured yet. There will certainly be other things to distinguish watches in the future, but they are very hard to predict. So would it be a good idea to buy ten sharp 14060 Subs or 3590.50 Speedies from the early 90s with nice yellow patina and B&P and put them away for 20 years. Yes, I tend to think you'd do quite well. Is it the best investment in vintage watches? No way. But if I were deciding between a late 90s example with tritium and an early 2000s with luminova, I would definitely go for the former. Of course, more practical people will say I'm stupid to buy the watch with dead lume.
Most practical people would consider us all crazy for being downright anal about dials, cases, etc, being unfinished. If I show the wife a beautifully patina’d Ed White she thinks it’s just a beat up old watch. Oh well! 🙁
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Nobel Prize
·Intake used to be a term applied at the 2o year mark..... because we’re getting older 20 years doesn’t seem like enough.
so lets say retro 😀
yes, the 321 is the better purchase imo.
who knows what the market will yield. It could crash, or it could decide a 14060m is the most valuable because it’s the last pin hole sub but has a modern movement ..... or John Mayer will be spotted wearing a fossil.....
As for the midlife crisis and Rolex I always felt that mid life crisis is more closely related to anything implying speedy.... but that’s just an opinion.
so lets say retro 😀
yes, the 321 is the better purchase imo.
who knows what the market will yield. It could crash, or it could decide a 14060m is the most valuable because it’s the last pin hole sub but has a modern movement ..... or John Mayer will be spotted wearing a fossil.....
As for the midlife crisis and Rolex I always felt that mid life crisis is more closely related to anything implying speedy.... but that’s just an opinion.
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··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...I think it's quite ridiculous to insinuate that any speculation regarding the prices of the Speedmaster increasing is a "wrong" question to ask, given recent events. After all, on the Rolex side, run-of-the-mill Daytonas have seen a massive increase in price, even if they are not of the "Paul Newman" variety. Even more applicable would be the fact that nearly all Rolex SS sports models have seen a huge jump in value, even including a simple Oyster Perpetual.
And if you're referring to my sly comment about the typical Rolex owner, all I can say is that my belief is formulated with many interactions I've had with Rolex owners. That is to say that a typical Rolex OWNER is not the same as a Rolex COLLECTOR. They're two different beasts, really.
But sure, yada-da, Dunning-Kruger. (Btw, a DK situation typically applies to someone who is over-assessing their own abilities, and I didn't intend to do that. After all, why would I ask a question to begin with? The post would have been more of a statement if I was asserting my own knowledge).
No, no, I think I belong on the Omega Forum, considering I only collect Omega watches. In case you missed it, I previously posted that I have a particular bond with Omega for personal reasons. If the skin around here is so thin that a simple joke ruffled some panties, I think the problem is oversensitivity (and perhaps a little bit of guilty conscience, too 😜 )
Anyways, I come in peace, I didn't intend to start a war with a harmless joke.
Your kinda proving my point, and I was not trying to start a war, just that the question you asked as some very obvious answers and you didn;t know enough to understand the answers....
But to that end...
Old school regular Daytonas have not jumped in price... The recent ones that came up via Antique roadshow where far from standard or standard condition. Panda Daytonas even non exotic dials have been high since the 80's. Oyster Perpetuals and DJ's have not jumped in price, as they are easy to get at any AD. SS models like the Sub and GMT are coming down on the grey market as demand is dropping for people willing to pay over MSRP for them. This is a clear trend you can see if you have been following the market. It also appears that Rolex is seeing this and signs are starting to show a reduction in the constraining on the market.
Daytonas have always been at a premium since the Zenith movement era, as Zenith only gave Rolex so many movements for the Daytona, and even after they finally designed an in house movement for it, they left it as a constrained halo model, that continued to sell over MSRP by flipper as it was part of the mystique of Rolex.
Rolex owners are... there are a few different groups of them, some new ones are cool, and some vintage owners are tools... Its all a mix
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...I'm sure people will find things to distinguish and value about early 2000s dials in the distant future, but I don't think that will make tritium dials less desirable. I'm just repeating what I said earlier, so I apologize, but at this moment, I do think that the tritium/luminova boundary is the obvious value differentiator that hasn't quite matured yet. There will certainly be other things to distinguish watches in the future, but they are very hard to predict. So would it be a good idea to buy ten sharp 14060 Subs or 3590.50 Speedies from the early 90s with nice yellow patina and B&P and put them away for 20 years. Yes, I tend to think you'd do quite well. Is it the best investment in vintage watches? No way. But it's a factor I'd consider at the margins. For example, if I were deciding between a late 90s example with tritium and an early 2000s with luminova, I would definitely go for the former. Of course, more practical people will say I'm stupid to buy the watch with dead lume.
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·Modern post 2000 Speedmasters have already moved in price as Omega increased the rrp.
They won't be any more significant increase ofvthe 1861 in the next few years.
They won't be any more significant increase ofvthe 1861 in the next few years.
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Radiozoop
·Your kinda proving my point, and I was not trying to start a war, just that the question you asked as some very obvious answers and you didn;t know enough to understand the answers....
But to that end...
Old school regular Daytonas have not jumped in price... The recent ones that came up via Antique roadshow where far from standard or standard condition. Panda Daytonas even non exotic dials have been high since the 80's. Oyster Perpetuals and DJ's have not jumped in price, as they are easy to get at any AD. SS models like the Sub and GMT are coming down on the grey market as demand is dropping for people willing to pay over MSRP for them. This is a clear trend you can see if you have been following the market. It also appears that Rolex is seeing this and signs are starting to show a reduction in the constraining on the market.
Daytonas have always been at a premium since the Zenith movement era, as Zenith only gave Rolex so many movements for the Daytona, and even after they finally designed an in house movement for it, they left it as a constrained halo model, that continued to sell over MSRP by flipper as it was part of the mystique of Rolex.
Rolex owners are... there are a few different groups of them, some new ones are cool, and some vintage owners are tools... Its all a mix
Whatever man, we can agree to disagree.
Modern post 2000 Speedmasters have already moved in price as Omega increased the rrp.
They won't be any more significant increase ofvthe 1861 in the next few years.
I’ve noticed this as well and hope the prices stabilize.
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorFunny as any two bit watch guy can make a YouTube video and say Omega or Rolex watches that are renowned for going up already, are going to go up. No brainer.
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harrymai86
·Relax the guys in the videos with the sole purpose of getting views and subscribers. Relavant or not? But I dont mind a nice tritium 80s speedies when I have a chance.
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watchlovr
·Yawn.
Boring.
Boring.
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Radiozoop
·You want to disagree about facts about the Rolex market? I mean you can't really argue against facts. Just because you did not know them, does not mean they are not true.
I don't think I ever refuted your comments about Rolex after you replied to me. I did however challenge your point that I was suffering from a pretty specific cognitive bias. I asked my original question, and then you stated, "...it was a Dunning-Kruger problem." This comment came well before I said anything with regard to the price of the Rolex market. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were responding to a simple joke that rustled your jimmies. Again, your Dunning Kruger comment came before I said anything about Rolex price fluctuations and trends, and my joke was an opinion.
I will openly admit, as I did in the OP, that I'm an Omega collector. Therefore I have very little insight to offer about the Rolex game, outside of a few trends that, as someone who doesn't fully pay attention to Rolex, can easily come to a certain conclusion (that being most SS Sports Rolex models are selling for over MSRP).
That's the last I'll say on this because it's pretty clear you're stuck in the notion that I stated I have more knowledge than I've actually admitted.
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CaptainWinsor
·I predict a lot of those $10 no name watches on eBay will double in the next 5-10 years
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M'Bob
·I don't have the slightest interest in what this Doogie-Howser-can't-grow-a-real-beard guy thinks, so I didn't watch the video
My, my Daniel; I just don't know what to think. The Rodney King of the forum reveals he has a bias against those who sprout only anemic facial hair? Do you do testosterone research? Had a chastising father with low androgens? Okay, I'm throwing down...whatcha got, boy?
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Dan S
·My, my Daniel; I just don't know what to think. The Rodney King of the forum reveals he has a bias against those who sprout only anemic facial hair? Do you do testosterone research? Had a chastising father with low androgens? Okay, I'm throwing down...whatcha got, boy?
Extremely impressive my friend. My facial hair is so poorly groomed that I would be embarrassed to post it below yours.
I will take that Rodney King comment as a compliment, and I apologize to the facial-hair challenged. 😀
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Nobel Prize
·My, my Daniel; I just don't know what to think. The Rodney King of the forum reveals he has a bias against those who sprout only anemic facial hair? Do you do testosterone research? Had a chastising father with low androgens? Okay, I'm throwing down...whatcha got, boy?
Also....Lume shots please!!!!
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