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Is this Constellation dial correct?

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Hi OF, been looking through the forums and learning a lot. Went through several threads, even linking to other sites and downloaded several pdfs to read through as well. Having said that, I'm still very new at this of course.

I'm seeing 3 issues with this dial. I could well be wrong.

1) The fonts seem slightly thick. Signs of retouch? Maybe just a hint.
2) The fonts seem overly serif. The tail-end of the font seems overly pronounced. An overemphasis?
3) MOY test... Drawing an imaginary line down the MOY, it cuts the edge of the O (instead of passing right through the middle as I've seen in many perfect examples). Is that right? Does it pass the MOY test? Is that acceptable?

What do you think?

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No expert on everything you mention (all of which might be spot on) but the differing gap between minute markers and pie pan facets on left and right jumped out at me.
 
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Texas Toast Texas Toast
No expert on everything you mention (all of which might be spot on) but the differing gap between minute markers and pie pan facets on left and right jumped out at me.
I hadn't noticed that at all but now that you mentioned! 馃槻
 
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If it's a redial, it's a damn good one. Good enough that I wouldn't care TBH.
 
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If it's a redial, it's a damn good one. Good enough that I wouldn't care TBH.
Isn't it? Felt almost perfect. That is until you come into OF 馃摉 and realize its flaws 馃檨 (and more now... the markers by the pie pan edge)
 
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Isn't it? Felt almost perfect. That is until you come into OF 馃摉 and realize its flaws 馃檨 (and more now... the markers by the pie pan edge)

Take my opinion with a grain of salt as I'm a bit different to a lot of people on here. I'm really not a devout anti-redial purist as long as it's done really well and it's advertised as such if a seller has had it done themselves. If people are looking at x100 blown up photos and still aren't sure then...
 
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Take my opinion with a grain of salt as I'm a bit different to a lot of people on here. I'm really not a devout anti-redial purist as long as it's done really well and it's advertised as such if a seller has had it done themselves. If people are looking at x100 blown up photos and still aren't sure then...
Sold as a flawless dial which I guess the seller is implying the dial is untouched. I could skip almost everything except the MOY which you don't need to blow it up x100 to see it fails.
And then of course, there's the price factor...
 
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OMEGuy OMEGuy
I suggest that this dial is correct.
@OMEGuy hi! What do you think of the comments I made? Invalid?

And further to that, I have seen many examples in many threads here, with dials that fail the MOY test. I say fail like in this example of like touching the edge of the O instead cutting through the middle (Excluding outright redials which are obviously wrong from the discussion).

So back to the above,
Is it ok as in it is entirely legit? [There are a set of dials that was possibly produced during a certain period which fail the MOY test?]
Or is it ok as in, it is acceptable to most people?
 
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It looks good to me
It looks good overall, but what do you think about the 3 points I highlighted? And particularly the MOY test.
Would love to know what OF thinks.
 
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Connie dials do vary in my experience but I would have said this meets the 'MOY' test.

As I've said, I think you can overthink it when zoomed in and start to convince yourself that things are wrong, such as thinking minute markers are inconsistent. They usually aren't micrometer perfect so zoomed right in they usually look a bit off.
 
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Connie dials do vary in my experience but I would have said this meets the 'MOY' test.

As I've said, I think you can overthink it when zoomed in and start to convince yourself that things are wrong, such as thinking minute markers are inconsistent. They usually aren't micrometer perfect so zoomed right in they usually look a bit off.
Does this really? Passing the MOY test I thought would require to the line to cut through the centre of the O (as per example below) which the above does not meet.

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@forpurpur
You are correct to question every Connie dial you see but as above, Connie dials can vary dependent on dial supplier and when assessing a dial you need to consider the whole as well as the parts.

The MOY test should be a reliable indicator except when it isn鈥檛 (this dial definitely doesn鈥檛 meet the MOY test)
The serifs are pronounced but not excessively so.
I don鈥檛 really see the thickness in the fonts, which look correct.

the minute ticks do look to be all shifted slightly to the right.
I.e. they are slightly off but consistently so.

if this is a redial, the author would have Connie collectors queuing around the block to avail themselves of their services.

+1 for it being correct.
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
this dial definitely doesn鈥檛 meet the MOY test

Not straight through the middle but still crosses through the O unless my eyes are playing tricks on me. No?
 
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As @forpurpur illustrated this is the correct MOY test.
But as is also noted, it should be like this except when it isn鈥檛.
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
@forpurpur
You are correct to question every Connie dial you see but as above, Connie dials can vary dependent on dial supplier and when assessing a dial you need to consider the whole as well as the parts.

The MOY test should be a reliable indicator except when it isn鈥檛 (this dial definitely doesn鈥檛 meet the MOY test)
The serifs are pronounced but not excessively so.
I don鈥檛 really see the thickness in the fonts, which look correct.

the minute ticks do look to be all shifted slightly to the right.
I.e. they are slightly off but consistently so.

if this is a redial, the author would have Connie collectors queuing around the block to avail themselves of their services.

+1 for it being correct.
Thank you @Peemacgee I'm not trying to insist this is wrong but trying to learn from OF. Appreciate your very detailed reply which I think helps in my understanding.

On a separate note, not sure if it is poor form to discuss about price, but what would you think is a fair price for the above example? Gold capped, unpolished as far the pictures show, sharp lugs, original buckle... 3500EUR?
 
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