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  1. jimmythebuyer Feb 17, 2020

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    Again though, there is no way a service dial and that chapter ring in 1970 would leave the factory with radium in it. Radium was illegal by then. It would be tritium used in the luminous material.
     
  2. CafeRacer Feb 17, 2020

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    The Tiffany & Co cupboard, not the UG cupboard.
     
  3. CafeRacer Feb 17, 2020

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    Just putting another theory out there...
    We see Subs with "full lume" hour markers and "dot lume" hour markers (for want of a better description).
    If the US-market pieces were assembled/cased locally (USA), there seems to be a good chance that the lume have been applied in the USA also...
    So, could the full lume dials be indicative of a US-market piece?
    Need to trawl back through subs to look for other US-market signs, e.g. 17 jewel movements, cases with "stainless steel" printed on them, etc... :confused:
     
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  4. Woops Feb 17, 2020

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    I have also been wondering about this. If your tantalising theory is correct, maybe this could explain why we so often see the distinct split in first generation Subs between “full lume hour markers” paired with no lume inner bezels (potential US market) versus “dot lume hour markers” paired with lumed 0-20 inner bezels (everywhere else)?
     
  5. Wildboar Feb 22, 2020

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    My thoughts are that it’s simply the non Polerouter sub marked dials with full lume markers, triangle lumed bezel and two short crowns are the earliest versions. As far as I can see they all have earlier serial numbers as well.
    I think the smoking gun on this is the Polerouter sub adverts on cafe racers website which show the earliest versions of the watch with descriptions in French! Now if only I could find an original advert with a date!
     
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  6. Mazoue Feb 22, 2020

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    It would be great to have some analysis recording the characteristics of the examples we’ve seen, which should help us identify patterns.

    Anyone fancy the challenge?
     
  7. Mazoue Aug 15, 2022

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  8. Timetosell Aug 16, 2022

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    Looks like a second execution which are poor case and dial quality !
     
  9. Mazoue Aug 16, 2022

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    Just one of the 'Australian' fakes.

    Lots about them in the thread above.
     
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  10. Mazoue Aug 18, 2022

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    I believe the item has now been withdrawn from the sale.
     
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  11. loniscup Nov 6, 2023

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    I think this belongs here right? I remembered this thread as soon as I saw it.
    It was auctioned yesterday on Antiquorum

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  12. LaurentBxl Nov 6, 2023

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    This case says it all, who would bid on a watch like this ?
     
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  13. Mazoue Nov 6, 2023

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    Did it sell?

    I e-mailed them as soon as I saw the catalogue but didn't receive a response.
     
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  14. LaurentBxl Nov 6, 2023

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    the website says sold for 5625 swiss francs.
     
  15. loniscup Nov 6, 2023

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    Yes I think it was sold at 4800 CHF. Probably without the fees
     
  16. itsjustausername Nov 6, 2023

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  17. aap Nov 6, 2023

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    Sad that it sold at all, more so for the much!
     
  18. southtexas Nov 10, 2023

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    Is it a straight up fake? I don’t know much about this model.
     
  19. CafeRacer Nov 13, 2023

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