1861 is the same movement, the 3861 is not. There are plenty of Speedmaster that can have the 3861 (snoopy being the last announced) the hesalite speedy shouldn't imo. Main stream omega buyers have lots of speedy's options with lots of movements. Purists only have one, the hesalite 1861.
People need to stop over reacting every time the Speedmaster is shown as 'out of stock' or 'contact your OB'. This doesn't mean the model is discontinued. Omega will eventually tell us what their plans are, supposedly by the end of the year. Anything else is mindless speculation. That seems to be a hobby on OF, but just a waste of time.
The “new” Moonwatch will have a new bracelet and the 3861 movement. YG and WG versions are also coming back into the catalog. Omega has been very up front that they’re moving to coaxial movements as they modernize their products. It’s one of the reasons they now offer a 5 year warranty.
They have to keep the moonwatch as close to original as possible. It still sells! Why mess with it???
Because they re-released the 321, which is even closer to original.
At least this is my theory, this is part of a bigger plan: right now there is the so-called "original" 1861 (which sells well, but is probably not expensive enough for Omega and the whole "original" thing means they cannot modernize it because people would cry wolf, so they are kinda stuck against competitors), then the '57 range which is kind of heritage but is actually complete non-sense and does not sell well because people attracted by heritage would actually buy a 1861 hesalite instead of this, then the 44.25 range for the larger/techy models in ceramic which is kind of the R&D range.
My 2 cents of what I feel is going to happen:
- 1861 goes away. New 3861 speedy is priced similar to all other co-axial models. This gives Omega a new "modern" watch and is the corner stone of the range. They will have the freedom to make it evolve within reasonable limits.
- '57 range goes away
- FOIS goes away
- "heritage" model is the new 321
- 44.25mm models stay
So in the end, you will either buy a 3861 speedy, or be tempted by the 321 is you really want "heritage" calibre. And if you want something bigger and more techy, you will get a DSOTM. Plus a few limited editions of course, all with 3861.
Which are those issues?
Keep in mind that it's "normal" for movements from any watch company to require tweaks over time. Omega is particularly diligent in this regard, because they are still updating movements that haven't been made in decades. For example in 2016 they updated the design of the reversing wheel and ratchet wheel driving wheel in the Cal. 1010 series of movements. This was done to improve winding efficiency on a movement they haven't made for 30+ years...
I have no doubts that the 3861 will get more updates as time goes on.
C CraigtwHas anyone herd any updates on a new speedmaster?
Would anyone be able to help? I am trying to find some information on this watch
How much is it worth?
