Who has a METAS movement that is losing time?

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A lot of METAS movement owners on the major forums all seem to believe if it’s not operating in the 0-5 Sec per day range in REAL WORLD applications then It’s not within spec and Omega needs to handle it. Are you saying that they’re all misunderstanding what this range really means?

Yes, that’s precisely what I’m saying...

https://omegaforums.net/threads/timing-tolerances-a-guide-to-understand-how-they-work.87293/

Cheers, Al
 
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Just got mine back from regulation in Culver City. Will give it a few days and report back on any change. Stay tuned, @POinNY
 
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@Archer

I just went to the Omega boutique and the technician did a timing test. Please see attached. There are two slips. The first test she did not wind the watch and it was previously fully wound 48 hours proper (Sunday at noon). This shows a -0.2 second loss. Then she fully wound the watch and it shows a -0.0 average rate. Does anything stand out when you see these?
 
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Your description doesn’t match the slips. The first slip appears to be not fully wound based on the lower balance amplitudes, and the average rate is spot on at zero.

The second slip appears to be fully wound (higher balance amplitudes) and is showing an average rate of -2 seconds per day.

The Deltas on both are 3 seconds over 6 positions, which is very good. The watch needs to be sped up, but when they do this make sure they don’t introduce a poise error, which would increase the Delta...

Cheers, Al
 
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Your description doesn’t match the slips. The first slip appears to be not fully wound based on the lower balance amplitudes, and the average rate is spot on at zero.

The second slip appears to be fully wound (higher balance amplitudes) and is showing an average rate of -2 seconds per day.

The Deltas on both are 3 seconds over 6 positions, which is very good. The watch needs to be sped up, but when they do this make sure they don’t introduce a poise error, which would increase the Delta...

Cheers, Al

Maybe the arrangement of the pics came out wrong when I posted.

1st slip - fully wound
2nd slip - tested 48 hours after a full wind, but I was wearing it for those past 2 days. This was the first time the technician tested it, and then she fully wound it (1st slip)

When the technician fully wound the watch, the average went from -0.2 to -0.0. Hopefully that clarifies it.
 
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Maybe the arrangement of the pics came out wrong when I posted.

1st slip - fully wound
2nd slip - tested 48 hours after a full wind, but I was wearing it for those past 2 days. This was the first time the technician tested it, and then she fully wound it (1st slip)

When the technician fully wound the watch, the average went from -0.2 to -0.0. Hopefully that clarifies it.

Just be clear, there is no “-0.2” rate anywhere on those slips. One slip has the average at zero, and the other at -2 seconds.

It makes no sense to me that the balance amplitudes would go down when the watch was fully wound, so at this point there’s not much I can say...
 
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Just be clear, there is no “-0.2” rate anywhere on those slips. One slip has the average at zero, and the other at -2 seconds.

It makes no sense to me that the balance amplitudes would go down when the watch was fully wound, so at this point there’s not much I can say...

Correct, -2 seconds... my mistake.

Hmm... would that point to an issue with the movement? I know it's hard for you to say without seeing more information, but i'm just debating whether or not it's worth me sending it in to Omega or just living with it. I hate having a new watch opened up.

Could it be a faulty diagnostic machine or possibly that it's not in spec?
 
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It could be a faulty machine, it could be a faulty watch, it could be an undisclosed magnetic source, hell, it could be aliens from the planet Tharg. What I'm taking away from all this is that despite saying on page 2 "But, I’m fine with -1 sec per day", something is still bugging you. I understand the desire to hold Omega to their (perceived) accuracy parameters, but it seems to me that you are now on a path where your watch will always be the one "that doesn't run quite right" and you'll never really enjoy it.

I'm not entirely unsympathetic, but if your ownership experience has been tainted, then the only two logical steps would seem to be a) contact Omega, explaining your situation and asking them if or how they would like to remedy the (perceived) deficiency in your watch's accuracy or b) dispose of the watch.

There is a third option which is to take on board all the good advice and explanations, adjust your expectations and enjoy your watch for the excellent (and pretty damn accurate) timepiece it is.

Personally, I only adjust watches (apart from my radio controlled Casio and other quartzes) when they have run down or when the time seems to be out by a minute or two. I'm not really concerned with atomic clock accuracy. For the last 10 days or so I've been wearing a 2255.80 with a 1120 movement and haven't felt the urge to reset the time once. Is it bang on in terms of accuracy? - no real idea - but it's not gaining or losing time to a degree that makes me want to fiddle with it. YMMV.

Whatever road you go down, I hope you come to an endpoint that brings you some sort of satisfactory closure.
 
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It could be a faulty machine, it could be a faulty watch, it could be an undisclosed magnetic source, hell, it could be aliens from the planet Tharg. What I'm taking away from all this is that despite saying on page 2 "But, I’m fine with -1 sec per day", something is still bugging you. I understand the desire to hold Omega to their (perceived) accuracy parameters, but it seems to me that you are now on a path where your watch will always be the one "that doesn't run quite right" and you'll never really enjoy it.

I'm not entirely unsympathetic, but if your ownership experience has been tainted, then the only two logical steps would seem to be a) contact Omega, explaining your situation and asking them if or how they would like to remedy the (perceived) deficiency in your watch's accuracy or b) dispose of the watch.

There is a third option which is to take on board all the good advice and explanations, adjust your expectations and enjoy your watch for the excellent (and pretty damn accurate) timepiece it is.

Personally, I only adjust watches (apart from my radio controlled Casio and other quartzes) when they have run down or when the time seems to be out by a minute or two. I'm not really concerned with atomic clock accuracy. For the last 10 days or so I've been wearing a 2255.80 with a 1120 movement and haven't felt the urge to reset the time once. Is it bang on in terms of accuracy? - no real idea - but it's not gaining or losing time to a degree that makes me want to fiddle with it. YMMV.

Whatever road you go down, I hope you come to an endpoint that brings you some sort of satisfactory closure.

You know, this was really well said and well thought out. I do have an issue with OCD where material possessions need to be perfect and out of all my hobbies (watches, cars, motorcycles), I see this OCD taking the enjoyment out of them. For example, when my AD called me that the watch had arrive, instead of being happy and excited like most others would be, I had a sense of fear - would the watch have a dust spec in the dial, would it not be accurate, would the serial numbers not match the paperwork, would the lume on the markers not be even throughout? Then when all those boxes are checked off, I can breathe a sigh of relief. But then the other questions pop up - will it pass the 60 hour power reserve test, etc?

So even before you replied, I thought this situation would be an excellent way for me to challenge my thinking and take the watch for what it is, which would be your option 3. So that's what I'm trying to do.

However, things are a little different now compared to when I started this because now I KNOW something is up since the Omega boutique kind of confirmed it as well. But still, I will try to move past that and take it for what it is. Nothing is perfect and trying to find that perfect can be costly and time consuming.
 
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Get a couple good scratches on the crystal, ding the case a few times and scuff up the bracelet a bit. That will help.
 
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You know, this was really well said and well thought out. I do have an issue with OCD where material possessions need to be perfect and out of all my hobbies (watches, cars, motorcycles), I see this OCD taking the enjoyment out of them. For example, when my AD called me that the watch had arrive, instead of being happy and excited like most others would be, I had a sense of fear - would the watch have a dust spec in the dial, would it not be accurate, would the serial numbers not match the paperwork, would the lume on the markers not be even throughout? Then when all those boxes are checked off, I can breathe a sigh of relief. But then the other questions pop up - will it pass the 60 hour power reserve test, etc?

So even before you replied, I thought this situation would be an excellent way for me to challenge my thinking and take the watch for what it is, which would be your option 3. So that's what I'm trying to do.

However, things are a little different now compared to when I started this because now I KNOW something is up since the Omega boutique kind of confirmed it as well. But still, I will try to move past that and take it for what it is. Nothing is perfect and trying to find that perfect can be costly and time consuming.

Can I suggest yoga, and focus your attentions on you?
 
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@POinNY So after exactly 24 hours since setting, it has gained about 2 seconds. I'll give it a few more days to confirm but so far I'm pretty pleased with the results of the regulation 😀

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Ive been following this thread and I pulled out my 60th Anniversary SM300 on Sunday. I’ve worn it 24 hours a day since then and it gains about +2 per day.
 
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Just checked my new SMP300 8800 and the METAS is saying 0 to 6s/day. I thought it's supposed to be 5. Did they change it?
 
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Just checked my new SMP300 8800 and the METAS is saying 0 to 6s/day. I thought it's supposed to be 5. Did they change it?

It’s not the same spec for every movement...
 
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It’s not the same spec for every movement...
Oh I see so the 8900 is up to 5s but the 8800 is up to 6s?
 
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Ive been following this thread and I pulled out my 60th Anniversary SM300 on Sunday. I’ve worn it 24 hours a day since then and it gains about +2 per day.
hi, got the PO GMT last week and have sent it back as it ran 10s slow per day measured 70s over a week hope they sort it out as it's a cracking watch