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Mongooseman
·Can I ask which source or site people are using for time checks?
Who has a METAS movement that is losing time?
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··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorHow can I go about getting it METAS certified? Maybe after you get your 20 year old quartz Tag METAS certifid you could give me some pointers!! I’ll stand by
Sorry just leant it to a member so he could check his METAS watch.
So I can get served jokes here but can’t give it back? Lol ok. Do you promise it’ll all be ok? I’m getting worried
Set a avatar, so we know you. You just blend in with the trolls without a avatar 😉
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JimInOz
··Melbourne AustraliaSorry just leant it to a member so he could check his METAS watch.😉
Sorry @POinNY, I just had to laugh at that.
Serious now.
The METS certification is conducted in laboratory conditions on a newly manufactured watch and the results are documented.
Then, the watch is processed, packed and shipped. Shipping (to USA for example) involves road/air/road transit and it may end up in a location with a totally different climatic environment than the METAS lab. Add to that any environmental and usage aspects that the wearer subjects the watch to and I would assume that a slight drift would be understandable.
So, to my understanding, while the watch may have complied with METAS on day one, there are many factors that can alter the performance of the movement.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
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POinNY
·Sorry just leant it to a member so he could check his METAS watch.
Set a avatar, so we know you. You just blend in with the trolls without a avatar 😉
Done - no trolling here
Sorry @POinNY, I just had to laugh at that.
Serious now.
The METS certification is conducted in laboratory conditions on a newly manufactured watch and the results are documented.
Then, the watch is processed, packed and shipped. Shipping (to USA for example) involves road/air/road transit and it may end up in a location with a totally different climatic environment than the METAS lab. Add to that any environmental and usage aspects that the wearer subjects the watch to and I would assume that a slight drift would be understandable.
So, to my understanding, while the watch may have complied with METAS on day one, there are many factors that can alter the performance of the movement.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Thanks for the input. I guess there are just way too many variables to know for certain.
I use Time.is
Any update on your watch that you can share?
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POinNY
·I’ll add an update:
It looks like over of period of 4 days the PO will lose the most time on day 1 and then it’ll somewhat even out every day beyond that. So I still end a 4 day period in the -1 sec range (not -1 sec per day but -1 sec in 4 days)
It looks like over of period of 4 days the PO will lose the most time on day 1 and then it’ll somewhat even out every day beyond that. So I still end a 4 day period in the -1 sec range (not -1 sec per day but -1 sec in 4 days)
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fakinbacon
·Any update on your watch that you can share?
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fakinbacon
·Can't ask for any better than that.
gatorcpa
Well, technicallly you can... especially given the expectations derived from METAS +0-5 specs
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Mongooseman
·I'm seeing something like +2.5s/day on my 2018 300m diver.
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Evitzee
·I am not a great one for checking or obsessing over the accuracy of a watch, but I traded a JLC for a LNIB ceramic Blue Side of the Moon Speedmaster two weeks ago and I'm going to wear it on an upcoming trip to Australia next week so I've had it on an Orbita winder for the last two weeks. The first week it gained +3 seconds, the second week it gained +2 seconds for an average of +0.36 sec/day which is pretty impressive. I'll see how it runs while on the wrist.
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··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorJust got the notification yesterday that service was completed and it’s on the way back - estimated arrival is Wednesday. I have an iPhone app that I can use to get an estimate of its speed so I’ll give it a test when it arrives and let you know, but will then give an update once I’ve had a couple of days to verify the real world accuracy. Stay tuned!
Well, technicallly you can... especially given the expectations derived from METAS +0-5 specs
So your using a IPhone app that isn’t measured to any standards to test METAS standard.
So if your app is good enough to test a METAS watch
Good luck if this is all they have got 😗
Precision - synchronized with atomic clock time
Time.is is synchronized with an atomic clock - the most accurate time source in the world. The displayed time will normally have a precision of 0.02-0.10 seconds. The precision depends on your internet connection and how busy your computer is.
( they missed, how many people in your street, town ,county, country are on the internet. What time of the day, the weather, solar disturbances etc etc etc )
Do you want to borrow my Quartz Tag next.
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fakinbacon
·Well, technicallly you can... especially given the expectations derived from METAS +0-5 specs
So your using a IPhone app that isn’t measured to any standards to test METAS standard.
So if your app is good enough to test a METAS watch
Good luck if this is all they have got 😗
Precision - synchronized with atomic clock time
Time.is is synchronized with an atomic clock - the most accurate time source in the world. The displayed time will normally have a precision of 0.02-0.10 seconds. The precision depends on your internet connection and how busy your computer is.
( they missed, how many people in your street, town ,county, country are on the internet. What time of the day, the weather, solar disturbances etc etc etc )
Do you want to borrow my Quartz Tag next.
Obviously I wouldn’t expect an iPhone app to stand up to the certifications of METAS but it’s enough to time a movement on a small scale. In other words, I wouldn’t take the measurement to heart but would be willing to establish it as a baseline of accuracy. All in all, I’m just looking to establish whether or not my watch is gaining or losing time... if it’s the later, then I feel that that is outside of the reasonable expectations afforded by the whole “METAS=0/+5 accuracy” implied by the whole Master Chronometer marketing shtick.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerWell, technicallly you can... especially given the expectations derived from METAS +0-5 specs
As I’ve explained, that expectation is not what the METAS spec is really saying...
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dan7800
·I think that PoinNY just wanted to start a thread like this because it looked like "mets"
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Reddy_Kilowatt
·Done - no trolling here
The Mets? Now I know you're trolling us. 😗
Well, technicallly you can... especially given the expectations derived from METAS +0-5 specs
I guess you can ask for whatever you want, but that doesn't make it reasonable. Wish in one hand...
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POinNY
·The Mets? Now I know you're trolling us. 😗
I guess you can ask for whatever you want, but that doesn't make it reasonable. Wish in one hand...
I’m trolling myself being a Mets fan lol
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fakinbacon
·As I’ve explained, that expectation is not what the METAS spec is really saying...
I understand that, hence me describing it as a bit of marketing that is easily misleading to those of us that aren’t watchmakers
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Reddy_Kilowatt
·I understand that, hence me describing it as a bit of marketing that is easily misleading to those of us that aren’t watchmakers
Lots of us aren't watchmakers and still understand the distinction between a controlled environment test and real world performance.
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rahul718
·As I’ve explained, that expectation is not what the METAS spec is really saying...
I have a PO8900 that loses slightly over 24 hours as well. A lot of METAS movement owners on the major forums all seem to believe if it’s not operating in the 0-5 Sec per day range in REAL WORLD applications then It’s not within spec and Omega needs to handle it. Are you saying that they’re all misunderstanding what this range really means?
I also have a theory....my watch is on my wrist maybe 15-16 hours a day and I see from many owners that this movement tends to lose time or run slower when worn (opposed to resting stationary). However, many are also not wearing it for 15-16 hours like I am - they’ll wear it maybe 10-12 hours a day. I’m thinking because they’re not subjecting the watch to as much wrist time, it allows things to balance out when they’re resting the watch at night.
For me, my “fast” position is not all that fast and while it’ll gain 1 second back at night, it loses about 1.5 seconds during the day so I’m still minus after 24 hours. Perhaps if I only wore it 10 hours and rested it for more time things would balance out better. But what’s the fun in having to babysit a watch to ensure optimal accuracy?
