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Timing tolerances - a guide to understand how they work

  1. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Dec 29, 2018

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    I often see threads where people are questioning if their watch is running outside the manufacturer’s specs. I thought I would post some information to explain how these specs work and why your watch may actually be within specs, but not appear to be.

    So when a watch is timed at the factory, it’s done under very controlled conditions on a timing machine. The duration of these tests is usually very short, so only over a matter of a few minutes depending on the specific watch in question. The watch is typically timed with two different states of wind on the mainspring – the first is fully wound and the second is 24 hours after being fully wound.

    For now I’ll just talk about the fully wound state to keep things simple. If the watch is not a chronometer, it will typically be tested over just 3 positions, and those are dial up (CH), crown down (9H), and crown left (6H). If the watch is COSC rated, it will be tested over 5 positions, so the three above plus dial down (FH) and crown up (3H). If the watch is a METAS caliber, then it will have all those 5 plus crown right (12H) tested.

    Each individual test lasts maybe a minute, and between each test the watch is left to stabilize for a few seconds. Each position will have a rate in seconds fast or slow per day, balance amplitude, and beat error. So taking a watch like the Speedmaster Pro with a Cal. 1861, let’s put some rate numbers for each of the 3 readings:

    Dial up = +7.5 s/d
    Crown down = –7.5 s/d
    Crown left = 0 s/d

    So to calculate the average daily rate we add up the 3 numbers and divide by 3, and that gives us a result of 0 seconds gain or loss – great! :thumbsup:

    But there is another number we must calculate from these three readings, and that is the Delta, which is the difference between the fastest and slowest position. So here that is the difference between –7.5 and +7.5, so 15 seconds. Omega’s tolerances for this watch are that the Delta number must be no greater than 15 seconds, so on that measure this watch passes. The tolerances for the average daily rate are from –1 to +11 seconds per day, and since the average here is 0, this also meets the requirements Omega set out.

    So if you buy this imaginary Speedmaster and get it home, and it runs at –5 seconds per day, then is it faulty?

    Keep in mind that the average daily rate calculation above assumes that each position is given equal weight in the calculation, so if you were to wear this watch so that it spends 8 hours in the dial up position, 8 hours in the crown down position, and 8 hours is the crown left position, then it theoretically would average out to 0 seconds gain or loss over 24 hours. But no one wears watches like this, so in real life wearing conditions the average rate number can be skewed towards the position that the watch spends the most time in. For example, if you stand a good part of the day with your left wrist down at your side, then crown down will be the dominant position in the weighted average, and this could lead to the watch running at –5 seconds over the 24 hours, even though it’s running completely within Omegas tolerances.

    Also keep in mind that any of these tests that use 3, 5, or even 6 positions don’t reflect the positions the watch will actually be in, as there are a virtually infinite number of variations with how your wrist can be positioned during the day that don’t match these exact test positions.

    So there’s another thing to touch on, and that is isochronism - this is what affect the state of wind has on timekeeping. So as the mainspring winds down, the torque from the spring that is delivered to the balance is reduced and this can cause the timekeeping to drift. Omega measures this on the Speedmaster at 24 hours after the watch is fully wound, and they allow the Delta number to increase from 15 seconds to 20 seconds. So now our imaginary Speedmaster could have the following rates 24 hours after being wound:

    Dial up = +10 s/d
    Crown down = –10 s/d
    Crown left = 0 s/d

    So again the average is zero, but the two positions that deviate from zero are spread even further apart. Since Omega doesn’t have a tolerance for the average rate at 24 hours after full wind, but they clearly acknowledge that the timekeeping will likely get worse, this is another reason why this imaginary Speedmaster could be running outside of the range for the average rate, but still be within Omega’s tolerances.

    Note that although I’m using a Speedmaster in this example to keep things simple, this same process applies to all Omega’s watches. Of course the tolerances are different, but the key take away here is that if the specs for average rate are from –1 to +11, or –1 to +6, or from 0 to +5, that doesn’t mean that every position the watch is in will run between those numbers. If your watch happens to spend time in a position that is outside the range for the average, then it could very well run outside the range on your wrist, and yet still be within Omega’s tolerances.

    If you have any questions on this, please let me know.

    Cheers, Al
     
  2. 3nicewatches $100 well spent Dec 29, 2018

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    Wow, awesome, clear description! Thanks Al
     
  3. superfly Dec 29, 2018

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    Thank you Al!
     
  4. simonsays Dec 29, 2018

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    So if a movement is marked ‘adjusted to 5 positions and temperature’ for example and cosc rated, as opposed to one adjusted to 3 positions. Is the difference between the two potentially just the care taken when setting them up? Not necessarily better in the construction.
     
  5. mayankyadav Dec 29, 2018

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    Good read. Thanks for the post. I stopped making a big deal of the variation that my watches have a long time ago, afterall they are just mechanical machines.
    However one thing surprises me..my speedmaster gains almost 30 seconds per day and OTOH my Seiko Turtle runs almost withing COSC.
    Can i ask how can Seiko Prospex (a ten times cheaper watch) keep time better than my Omega ?

    Or it is just that one off case with my Omega and a service/time regulation ( for which I am to balme as I dint want to send my watch away) could have fixed the issue with my watch ?
     
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  6. Co-axial Dec 29, 2018

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    Very kind of you Mr Archer for posting, much appreciated. I wish the Rolex forum had a RSC certified watchmaker as active as you are on the Omega forum. We are missing out overthere.
     
  7. Reddy_Kilowatt Dec 29, 2018

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    There's a young RSC watchmaker on the Rolex forum.
     
  8. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Dec 29, 2018

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    It depends. Some movements do use different parts for different quality grades, where some do it through adjustment.
     
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  9. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Dec 29, 2018

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    Because there is clearly something wrong with the Omega
     
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  10. Lbreak Dec 29, 2018

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    That cleared a lot of doubt, thank you AI!
     
  11. gostang9 Dec 29, 2018

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    Is there a different tolerance stated by Omega for the Speedmaster if the chrono is engaged?

    In your experience how big of a difference would you accept with and without chrono activated? (Is total reserve time reduced?)
     
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  12. KingCrouchy Dec 29, 2018

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    Learned a lot! Thank you!:thumbsup: Cleared some false ideas I had! Also nicely written.
     
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  13. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Dec 29, 2018

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    No, the rate tolerances are all with the chronograph stopped. Rates are not checked with the chronograph running but the balance amplitudes are.

    The reserve is a function of mainspring length and gearing, so it is designed into the movement and doesn’t change. However the increase in load from the addition of the chronograph mechanism will mean that a greater torque is required to keep the watch running, so it will stop sooner than it would than if the chronograph was off. But when the watch stops, if you turn the chronograph off the watch will start running again.
     
  14. stogie530 Dec 29, 2018

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    Great read, this is why I love this forum. Thanks Al
     
  15. Dr_P Dec 29, 2018

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    Excellent and clear explanation! Thank you for taking the time. :thumbsup:
     
  16. Dan S Dec 29, 2018

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    Now you've got me wondering about the distribution of positions that my watch experiences during a typical day ... and how I could measure that. :eek:
     
  17. gostang9 Dec 29, 2018

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    Have you ever tested with and without chronograph engaged to see the difference?
     
  18. Co-axial Dec 30, 2018

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    What is his user name?
     
  19. Co-axial Dec 30, 2018

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    Time for service
     
  20. Professor Dec 30, 2018

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    I'd noticed that my Shanghai Watch Factory ZSH runs with little or no loss during the day but when hung up with 12 high it loses a minute or more before morning. It loses about the same if left laying dial up.
    When wearing the watch the position changes frequently, I suppose that cancels out some internal drag.
    The watch should be properly serviced no doubt.

    My 60's Paul Peugeot with Seiko 66A movement ran 24/7 on my wrist even when sleeping for six days without visibly gaining or losing a second. When taken off at night and left dial up it gains nearly a minute in the 12 hours or so before putting it on the following day.

    I suppose body heat from contact with the wrist may be a factor, and more so when temperatures drop at night. Its been very cold at night here for several months.

    The Paul Peugeot dial is marked "Unbreakable Mainspring". Could this suggest that the metallurgy of the spring is somehow different?