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1959 reference 14393. Unrefinished black pie pan dial with gold furniture.
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168.025 (I think) with very rare grey dial and onyx markers. I would dare to say it’s the least common color in the entire monocoque series.


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gatorcpa
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Painted markers on this reference. Here’s some chipping in the paint on 5 o’clock marker.

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I’ve never seen one with onyx, even on gold cases. Omega cost cutting in late 1960’s.

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Peemacgee Peemacgee
When you refer to 'original case style' are you referring to the dogleg case?
(The pie pan dial first appeared in lyre lug cases in the 50s)

You have a nice version of the .004.
There is a thread somewhere about this style of 'painted pie pan' and IIRC the conclusion was that on some the outer dial edge is indeed faceted and so is a true pie pan, whereas on others it is a trompe-l'oeil paint effect to replicate a pie pan dial ( you will have to look at the dial in-hand to judge )
They do also come in the sharper-edged 'regular' pie pan dials you refer to.
If you like this style, you could also try the very similar 168.010, which due to the wider lug spacing wears slightly larger than even the .004 (and they also come with pie pan dials)
I was referring to the "lyre" lug case, which is my personal favorite, and usually the one most likely to be polished to oblivian. Therefore I have found it diffricult to find a primo example. More reason to locate one IMHO. I already own a dog leg, so I am looking to round out with the options available for that era.
I just looked at the edge of this dial intently with a Schneider loupe, and there is a distinct breakover line at each facet. It is subtle, but with magnification one can also see that the downward surface has circular graining, whereas the central dial has radial graining. As I slowly rotate the case counter-clockwise, a shadow will appear between each index marker, while the central dial remains evenly lit. I also compared it to a Technos Skylight I own that exhibits the trompe-l'oeil pie pan effect...night and day at 10X. Your dialogue was very helpful in steering me to a method to make the distinction, very helpful. And the trompe-l'oeil phrase becomes a welcome addition to my lexicon!

I am researching the 168.010 now.
 
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gatorcpa gatorcpa
Painted markers on this reference. Here’s some chipping in the paint on 5 o’clock marker.

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I’ve never seen one with onyx, even on gold cases. Omega cost cutting in late 1960’s.

gatorcpa
Well you might consider it as a "cost cutting" element ; as a matter of fact, OMEGA had different levels of finishing of the hour markers, from the cheapest to the more expensive :
- "nothing"
- black paint
- Onyx inserts
plus of course the metal combination : steel - silver - gold (Y - P or W)
 
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qazwsx1 qazwsx1
The gold rust comes on my black waffle dial.😀
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Interestingly, I made a search on that on the occasion of some seller who advertised for an 18ct OMEGA Seamaster which case showed a so-called "rainbow oxidation" on some parts of the case, say 20% of the case surface : when I asked whether he knew about the origin, he said it had to do with oxidation over a very long period of time (decades...), and claimed it is very much sought after by collectors, and therefore recommended me not to clean it away if I'd buy this watch ; I searched on this "rainbow oxidation", but hardly found any relevant info on that ; is it really sought after ?
 
RoadRunner73
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OK thx ! I didn't know about the silver coins, and I also do not like this oxidation on watch cases ; I also have a couple of interesting vintage silver pocket watches, and I much prefer them nicely polished.
 
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RoadRunner73 RoadRunner73
OK thx ! I didn't know about the silver coins, and I also do not like this oxidation on watch cases ; I also have a couple of interesting vintage silver pocket watches, and I much prefer them nicely polished.



😲Oh my......where's the feintin'couch and fetch my smelling salts!!



::rimshot::
 
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New arrival. 😀
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Better pictures will follow shortly.
 
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Three Constellations

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RoadRunner73
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wspohn wspohn
Three Constellations

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Wooooowwwww ! And the bracelet on the left Pie Pan is really awesome ! Which ref is this ? Never seen this before ; Omega part or aftermarket ?
 
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The two on the right have original beads of rice bracelets. The one on the left as an aftermarket bracelet that is actually fairly close to the factory bands for Seamasters
 
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Giovannii Giovannii
Thank you! I don’t have any good sharp photos, mostly photos from when I first got it and played around with different straps. I think the dial looks great, but I’m absolutely no expert.
Lovely!
 
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wspohn wspohn
The two on the right have original beads of rice bracelets. The one on the left as an aftermarket bracelet that is actually fairly close to the factory bands for Seamasters
👍
 
Giovannii
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Hello!

Back from a rather expensive but totally worth it service. Made me love my watch even more!
Got a new original crystal with logo and a new crown, and the best part… my watchmaker had a NOS thin scalloped crown to replace my old one with. He noted I weren’t super excited about getting a “service replacement crown” so he did his absolute best to source an original. A service minded old school watchmaker to say the least.
Hope it’s okey to share this story in this thread.

Thanks again for this interesting and good forum!

sorry for the bad pictures, bad lighting and not a good “camera” 😀

/J
 
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RoadRunner73
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Nice Connie ! Congrats and make sure to treat your watchmaker properly ! It is worth a lot nowadays to have a trustworthy one.
 
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