Rolex and Tudor Basel 2018

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I have my name on a wait list at my local AD just like half the planet right now for the steel jubilee but I think I might be swaying to the 2 tone root beer. Hopefully I’ll get to see them both in the flesh soon as I feel I’m going to jump ship to the root beer.
 
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Tudor Black Bay GMT is the HIT watch of Basel so far for me😀. In-house movement with vintage looking case and a true Pepsi red, not the awful pink on the Rolex GMT 2 Pepsi.

Having seen more pictures and read more about the new Tudor GMT, I have to say that the case thickness at 14.6mm would probably put me off, especially as I already have the BLNR and Explorer 2 with thinner approx. 12mm cases.

I actually think this might be the true Basel hit for Tudor this year...the Black Bay 58. In-house 70h movement, thin 11-12mm, 39mm case...


Fotos courtesy of Fratello Watches, see the review:
https://www.fratellowatches.com/the-new-tudor-black-bay-fifty-eight-39mm-and-a-thinner-case/
 
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Anyone have any info on the GMT case regarding the jubilee bracelet fit? It looks like the bracelet attaches far back into the lugs preventing the use of an oyster or possibly even a strap/nato.
 
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for me the fifty eight might be the winner for the bunch. curious to see how theyll be on wrist and price wise as the hype goes
 
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Anyone have any info on the GMT case regarding the jubilee bracelet fit? It looks like the bracelet attaches far back into the lugs preventing the use of an oyster or possibly even a strap/nato.

Apparently you can't attach an Oyster to the Pepsi Steel GMT and you can't attach the OEM Jubilee on a BLNR🙄. I think they did this to offer some token "status" protection to current Rolex White Gold customers...if you see a modern Pepsi dial on an Oyster you know it's WG, if you see a Pepsi on a Jubilee, you know it's a SS model. All a bit silly IMO.

On a more general note I would say that Rolex is becoming a bit of a ridiculous brand with the excessive wait lists, focus on hype and status. Luckily I got the three modern SS models I wanted before the hype set in....missed out on the LN Daytona as I was focusing on getting the new Explorer and BLNR in 2016. The ceramic Daytona really is the only Rolex I could still see myself purchasing some day. Looking back with hindsight, had I known the way the Rolex market would go with restricted demand of SS sports watches, I should have picked up the Daytona in 2016.

As many have commented, Tudor is what Rolex used to be before the bling set in.
 
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Apparently you can't attach an Oyster to the Pepsi Steel GMT and you can't attach the OEM Jubilee on a BLNR🙄. I think they did this to offer some token "status" protection to current Rolex White Gold customers...if you see a modern Pepsi dial on an Oyster you know it's WG, if you see a Pepsi on a Jubilee, you know it's a SS model. All a bit silly IMO.

On a more general note I would say that Rolex is becoming a bit of a ridiculous brand with the excessive wait lists, focus on hype and status. Luckily I got the three modern SS models I wanted before the hype set in....missed out on the LN Daytona as I was focusing on getting the new Explorer and BLNR in 2016. The ceramic Daytona really is the only Rolex I could still see myself purchasing some day. Looking back with hindsight, had I known the way the Rolex market would go with restricted demand of SS sports watches, I should have picked up the Daytona in 2016.

As many have commented, Tudor is what Rolex used to be before the bling set in.

Dude, I've been on the wait list since March 2016 for the ceramic white dial Daytona. So, unless you meant "I should have picked up the Daytona in 2016 when they were only $17,000 grey market" then it is a non-sense sentence.

Rolex has declared "when hell freezes over will the masses have access to our new SS watches".
 
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Dude, I've been on the wait list since March 2016 for the ceramic white dial Daytona. So, unless you meant "I should have picked up the Daytona in 2016 when they were only $17,000 grey market" then it is a non-sense sentence.

Rolex has declared "when hell freezes over will the masses have access to our new SS watches".
Hey dude, I currently live in Rio and have a great relationship with the local Rolex AD. They overestimated demand for Rolex watches in 2016, as they thought the Olympics would boost demand...it turns out that a perfect storm of persistent local economic recession, political turmoil due to grafts in government contracts and reduced global demand in Oil & Gas all hit Rio much harder during 2016 than the AD expected.

So, I suppose from your US perspective what I said seems "non-sense", but as you are probably aware there are also regional factors in play in determining demand and distribution. Then again as you live in a truly lovely country where only 36% of Americans hold a valid passport, I might be assuming too much in terms of your global / world view.😜😁
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Tudor really hit it out of the park this year. This 39mm BB 58 is really tempting. Nice to see some movement away from the dinner plate on a wrist.

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Unless it is a let down in the flesh I am going to snag one.
 
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I called my AD to put my name down for the BB58. What a stunning looking watch!
 
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Anyone have any info on the GMT case regarding the jubilee bracelet fit? It looks like the bracelet attaches far back into the lugs preventing the use of an oyster or possibly even a strap/nato.

interesting. i have to think theyve employed a more restrictive way of ensuring an Oyster wont fit on a SS Pepsi. a shop like LAWW can easily drill a separate pair of pin holes (can we even refer to them as lug holes now?) inside the lugs so that it will fit an Oyster. if i had to guess, the lug width is slightly different. however, if that is the case, what happens when the new movement is put in the BLNR/Black GMT? are they really going to use different cases? that would be departure from the norm and wouldnt be conducive to the whole economies of scale thing.
 
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Dude, I've been on the wait list since March 2016 for the ceramic white dial Daytona. So, unless you meant "I should have picked up the Daytona in 2016 when they were only $17,000 grey market" then it is a non-sense sentence.

Rolex has declared "when hell freezes over will the masses have access to our new SS watches".

It’s much better if Rolex introduces a price tier system for its products for delivery; 30% more msrp to be paid for off the shelf, 20% more within 3 months and msrp if taken after a year. This way Rolex will earn more profit for a Non-Profit Trust and the consumer will pay according to one’s urgency to own that piece. This mad mad rush to book a luxury wrist watch and then wait for many months is not logical for a reasonable person.
 
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It’s much better if Rolex introduces a price tier system for its products for delivery; 30% more msrp to be paid for off the shelf, 20% more within 3 months and msrp if taken after a year. This way Rolex will earn more profit for a Non-Profit Trust and the consumer will pay according to one’s urgency to own that piece. This mad mad rush to book a luxury wrist watch and then wait for many months is not logical for a reasonable person.

how about they just start moving to direct sales? this AD game is for the birds. would it totally kill the grey market? no, probably not but it certainly would put more watches directly into the hands of those who want them to wear, not to flip.
 
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Yes that is a better arrangement than this present system. They may opt for an online booking system with some improvement over Speedy Tuesday booking. Then at least ‘first come first serve’ is followed. There must be a transparent way to allocate watches when there are many more buyers than the supply of watches at the company.
 
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how about they just start moving to direct sales?
If you think selling direct online fixes these issues where demand is greater than sales, you obviously haven’t looked for Hamilton tickets on Ticketmaster...
 
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Everyone has to write an essay on the topic of "Why I deserve a stainless steel Daytona."
 
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I'm hoping for a BB58 with a date (they have it in the BB41 steel so there is hope) and with a black/white color scheme instead of the gilt. They can even keep the patina lume look, I guess. Basically just make something that closely resembles a 1608 but with a modern movement and 70 hour power reserve without a Cyclops. It'd be my ideal tool watch!
 
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I called my AD to put my name down for the BB58. What a stunning looking watch!
I’ve never had a Tudor before so I don’t know their tactics, and none of us have a crystal ball to know how popular a watch will be, but do you think this is necessary to avoid long waits? I’m interested in the GMT (obviously want to try it on first) and would like to get it shortly after release to mark a special occasion. Living in London, there are a lot of stockists nearby so there should be plenty of places that stock them.
 
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My Wife & I Will be in Barcelona shortly, for 10 days……We have rented an apartment just round the corner, from my very good friend @Vintage and his Wife.

If anyone else is in the area for a small international GTG……shout out ?

Last year,…at roughly same time…I bagged the first Tudor 79350 Chrono, to be available in Spain

Hoping to top that with the new GMT, if in stock…but maybe too early ?

Can recommend www.rabat.net as the go-to jewellers in Barcelona, they are located just North of Las Ramblas…& more importantly, price is negotiable
 
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Everyone has to write an essay on the topic of "Why I deserve a stainless steel Daytona."

Don't laugh, I had to explain to Omega in writing why I deserved a new CK-2998 LE, along with a list of my other purchases, and turn it into Omega AD to get on the wait list.
 
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Don't laugh, I had to explain to Omega in writing why I deserved a new CK-2998 LE, along with a list of my other purchases, and turn it into Omega AD to get on the wait list.

Only to see them trading for $1k below MSRP ~9mos after release... Pretty sure there are a number still available new in system too.

They really overreacted to the Snoopy situation, but fortunately seemed to learn from it and try something else (like with the Speedy Tuesday)