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Seems like a lot for the brand. Bulgari to me is just a fashion watch.
That is an issue Bulgari and Hermes face. They are putting out some good watches, but they are not perceived as a serious luxury watch brand.
 
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Seems like a lot for the brand. Bulgari to me is just a fashion watch.

Bulgari is doing more interesting and innovative things than 90% of the market
 
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Bulgari is doing more interesting and innovative things than 90% of the market

That may be, but yet I can honestly state I would never wear one. Perception is reality, and they are maybe one step above a Michael Kors and about the same as a Versace watch in my mind. Yeah, I know this is being close-minded, and maybe they should be lumped with Chanel and Cartier instead these days. But I can't quite get there yet.
 
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That may be, but yet I can honestly state I would never wear one. Perception is reality, and they are maybe one step above a Michael Kors and about the same as a Versace watch in my mind. Yeah, I know this is being close-minded, and maybe they should be lumped with Chanel and Cartier instead these days. But I can't quite get there yet.

Michael Kors! 馃え
 
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same strategy has served rolex well. They know people will pay
 
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Michael Kors! 馃え

Because they are a fashion brand, not a horology brand. I'm never going to take any watch with "BVLGARI" emblazoned all over the bezel seriously. Yes, I know they have produced some interesting movements, mostly because they killed off the Genta and Daniel Roth brands and integrated them into Bulgari - but their designs pretty much stink. The Octo line is not bad looking, but one line out of 9 does not inspire me. Everything else is firmly fashion watch/jewelry - and while they may be very expensive, the look is far too similar to something you buy at the watch counter at Macy's.
 
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Because they are a fashion brand, not a horology brand. I'm never going to take any watch with "BVLGARI" emblazoned all over the bezel seriously. Yes, I know they have produced some interesting movements, mostly because they killed off the Genta and Daniel Roth brands and integrated them into Bulgari - but their designs pretty much stink. The Octo line is not bad looking, but one line out of 9 does not inspire me. Everything else is firmly fashion watch/jewelry - and while they may be very expensive, the look is far too similar to something you buy at the watch counter at Macy's.

You raise some good points. BVLGARI as a brand has zero appeal to me - I associate it with Roman dolce vita posers. The Bvlgari group should have kept working with two separate watch brands within the group: Bvlgari (fashion watches / distribution points at high end mall outlets etc) and Genta (luxury watches only in luxury watch ADs / boutiques). Their Finissimo range with "Genta" branding would generate more collector appeal.
 
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when was the last new and creative watch design by rolex? all the models seem pretty old.
 
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It sucks. I love Rolex but the only thing I like is the Yatch master, and that鈥檚 because it looks like a larger sub, Which kind of defeats the purpose. Why call it Yatch Master instead of 42 mm sub?
 
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It sucks. I love Rolex but the only thing I like is the Yatch master, and that鈥檚 because it looks like a larger sub, Which kind of defeats the purpose. Why call it Yatch Master instead of 42 mm sub?

i just don't understand why they can't seem to design something completely new. i guess they dont have to at all. their movements are being upgraded quite regularly. tudor and the P01 on the other hand... :/
 
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They need to stop releasing new watches and have they production catch up with at least half of demand they have right now. Why bother releasing something, if your customers could never get it. People are two years out from getting watches from last basel world)))
 
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A lot of hating around here. You鈥檇 better come to your senses and be a bit more objective. It does not mean if you can鈥檛 have something you must hate it in order to have an excuse of not having it. I can鈥檛 have certain items from Rolex as well but it does not prevent me from appreciating them. Both the watches and the brand that stands behind.
 
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A lot of hating around here. You鈥檇 better come to your senses and be a bit more objective. It does not mean if you can鈥檛 have something you must hate it in order to have an excuse of not having it. I can鈥檛 have certain items from Rolex as well but it does not prevent me from appreciating them. Both the watches and the brand that stands behind.

i am perfectly objective and own several rolexes and can "afford" everything in the catalog. . . and this year's new releases were utter rubbish. not a single new release i'd contemplate buying and frankly that's been true since they introduced the ceramic daytona
 
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i am perfectly objective and own several rolexes and can "afford" everything in the catalog. . . and this year's new releases were utter rubbish. not a single new release i'd contemplate buying and frankly that's been true since they introduced the ceramic daytona
I should apologise to you then. Surely everyone who defines himself as capable of buying everything should feel free to define objectively any Rolex model since 2016 as rubbish. Sorry for not being punctual - utter rubbish!
And by the way, let us be precise - afford and have surely are of different meaning.
 
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A lot of hating around here. You鈥檇 better come to your senses and be a bit more objective. It does not mean if you can鈥檛 have something you must hate it in order to have an excuse of not having it. I can鈥檛 have certain items from Rolex as well but it does not prevent me from appreciating them. Both the watches and the brand that stands behind.

It sounds like you are saying, if one can't afford to buy a Monet, one cannot be an art critic.

But I know you wouldn't say something so moronic so I must be misunderstanding your point.
 
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I should apologise to you then. Surely everyone who defines himself as capable of buying everything should feel free to define objectively any Rolex model since 2016 as rubbish. Sorry for not being punctual - utter rubbish!
And by the way, let us be precise - afford and have surely are of different meaning.

of course there is no pure "objective" viewpoint--whether a person likes a watch or not is always a matter of opinion.

however, you are taking shots at people who didn't like the rolex new releases, and ascribing ulterior motives to these people that their opinions are not based on their opinion of the watches, but some sort of envy game because they cannot afford the watches.

i think that is BS --we have plenty of big time collectors on OF who own watches that cost multiples of anything in the new rolex catalog. they didn't like the watches because. . they didn't like the watches. and i (and many far more prominent collectors) happen to agree
 
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of course there is no pure "objective" viewpoint--whether a person likes a watch or not is always a matter of opinion.

however, you are taking shots at people who didn't like the rolex new releases, and ascribing ulterior motives to these people that their opinions are not based on their opinion of the watches, but some sort of envy game because they cannot afford the watches.

i think that is BS --we have plenty of big time collectors on OF who own watches that cost multiples of anything in the new rolex catalog. they didn't like the watches because. . they didn't like the watches. and i (and many far more prominent collectors) happen to agree
Did i mention envy somewhere? Or afford? What I meant is that lately Rolex is not easily obtainable. And a lot of people turned into haters because of this. As otherwise their self-esteem would be hurt. Plus I did not take any kind of shots neither at you or anyone else. Read carefully. I simply said that if anyone might not have something it did not mean that something should be considered as UTTER RUBISH. People have to be tolerant to the opinion of the others, but these others should not get to extremities. And last but not least when someone speaks he should be doing it on his own behalf, and not hide himself behind some other people. What does it matter who is a big time collector and who is not? What does it mean? Shall we compare it by value, number of pieces or what? Are sure there is a single big shot collector who is greater than the market. Are you sure what does market say about Rolex? Did you hear Utter Rubbish from the market? And if you should find an excuse behind scarcity, do I need to remind you we talk of brand that makes a mil pieces per year?
When someone defines brand as Rolex to have made only utter rubbish in the latest three years, well with all my due respect he might only be laughed at. Get a mirror and try to be honest with yourself.
I would not reply any more to you, as that will be loss of time to both of us or anyone else reading it.
 
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Did i mention envy somewhere? Or afford? What I meant is that lately Rolex is not easily obtainable. And a lot of people turned into haters because of this. As otherwise their self-esteem would be hurt. Plus I did not take any kind of shots neither at you or anyone else. Read carefully. I simply said that if anyone might not have something it did not mean that something should be considered as UTTER RUBISH. People have to be tolerant to the opinion of the others, but these others should not get to extremities. And last but not least when someone speaks he should be doing it on his own behalf, and not hide himself behind some other people. What does it matter who is a big time collector and who is not? What does it mean? Shall we compare it by value, number of pieces or what? Are sure there is a single big shot collector who is greater than the market. Are you sure what does market say about Rolex? Did you hear Utter Rubbish from the market? And if you should find an excuse behind scarcity, do I need to remind you we talk of brand that makes a mil pieces per year?
When someone defines brand as Rolex to have made only utter rubbish in the latest three years, well with all my due respect he might only be laughed at. Get a mirror and try to be honest with yourself.
I would not reply any more to you, as that will be loss of time to both of us or anyone else reading it.

um, you came on thread where people generally panned the new rolex releases, and your words, exactly, were, QUOTE You鈥檇 better come to your senses and be a bit more objective. It does not mean if you can鈥檛 have something you must hate it in order to have an excuse of not having it. UNQUOTE

so yes, YOU are the one taking shots at the people on OF and this thread who didn't like the watches, and ascribing motives to them that their opinions are based on "not being able to have" rolex releases. why would anyone "not be able to have" rolex watches if they can afford them, since as you point out they produce a million watches a year ? i can assure you, as someone that owns many rolexes, they are quite easy to buy, pretty much everywhere in the world (at market prices, not msrp)

i don't know what circles you run in but go to any major auction in the london, geneva, or new york and you will find the "utter rubbish" view to be the majority view of major watch collectors when it comes to rolex new releases this year

but if you disagree, please by all means go buy yourself a new white gold yachtmaster and good luck to you!
 
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