Omega discounts drying up

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Omega is "heading that direction" since I don't know when. A few days ago, a close friend got a SMP with a 25% in Spain.
The only way for Omega to achive it is by closing ADs and cutting down their trade margins, that is what I think will happen.
In my city there is just one AD, how far may they go? They have even a worse problem as of what i think. Capacity has to be utilized and thus they keep on manufacturing a great surplus of what market may absorb. And assume they start cutting down from capacity, they will be forced to substantially increase prices and sales will tumble down. Not an easy game.
 
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In my city there is just one AD, how far may they go? They have even a worse problem as of what i think. Capacity has to be utilized and thus they keep on manufacturing a great surplus of what market may absorb. And assume they start cutting down from capacity, they will be forced to substantially increase prices and sales will tumble down. Not an easy game.

On other forums I frequent, recent buyers have reported zero to a very small discount at the AD. Rumour has it that they stop discounting October 1st. I am not sure if that is only for Seamaster and Speedmasters. Only time will tell.

I think Omega is prepared to deal with loss of sales that might come with it. Sometimes that is better with increased margins.
 
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On other forums I frequent, recent buyers have reported zero to a very small discount at the AD. Rumour has it that they stop discounting October 1st. I am not sure if that is only for Seamaster and Speedmasters. Only time will tell.

I think Omega is prepared to deal with loss of sales that might come with it. Sometimes that is better with increased margins.
Yeap, only time will tell. Though swatch is public, and for any public company it is a nightmare having to explain shareholders any single reason for loss of sales and profit.
 
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These are painful decisions that every manufacturer has to make. It takes time to reset your sales strategy and requires discipline. About 20 years ago Audemars Piguet was in a position where there were way too many AD's and discounting was rampant, often up to 50%. AP liquidated most of the sales outlets, went to boutique concept and rationalized production and prices. Today they have solid sales with little discounting and wait lists for many models. AP is a private company so no pesky shareholders had to be mollified, but it can be done and that is where the Swatch Group is headed. The old way of flooding the market with product and then having to discount it to move it off the shelves is over.
 
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These are painful decisions that every manufacturer has to make. It takes time to reset your sales strategy and requires discipline. About 20 years ago Audemars Piguet was in a position where there were way too many AD's and discounting was rampant, often up to 50%. AP liquidated most of the sales outlets, went to boutique concept and rationalized production and prices. Today they have solid sales with little discounting and wait lists for many models. AP is a private company so no pesky shareholders had to be mollified, but it can be done and that is where the Swatch Group is headed. The old way of flooding the market with product and then having to discount it to move it off the shelves is over.

Agreed. I run a small manufacturing business. Supply chain is very tight and strained due to COVID measures and substantially increased demand.

There is no point in manufacturing goods with all these challenges associated and then forward them for reduced profits in the marketplace. Especially if the product has demand and has legs to stand on.

Omega's competition in many people's eyes is Rolex. They don't have a watch to sell. Is the situation going to improve in the near future? NOPE. Swatch know this.

We can't say they have come to this point in haste. We could see some of this in the making for many years prior but certainly accelerated over the past year due to rapid change in global economy.

So whether or not this holds is another scoop. Its interesting to see that is underway, we will find out in the next month or two if there's substance to it. One AD in US said they stand to lose their status if they discount, Swatch has made it clear to them. Let's see if this is only smoke or fire.
 
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My belief is what Omega does being inconsistent. Should I understand they strangle their dealers to avoid discounts and at the same time push them to fulfil volume of orders? Second conclusion is mine, as I was in a couple of big hubs in Europe and everywhere I see an abundance at any single Omega I was at. A part of Snoopy and 321 (which are nowhere to be seen) almost everything else is immediately available in stock. I do not want to be an AD of Omega currently. A few will remain intact. They will likely pay the bill which actually Omega is responsible for.
 
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I just called an AD in the Dallas area. As per the AD, Omega has told them that discounts are essentially no longer allowed. They said the best they can do on any Omega now is MAYBE 10%, which basically just gets rid of taxes and a bit more.

Looks like Omega is going to make grey market even more "exciting" as I can still find NiB Omegas with full box and intact warranties for 30% off MSRP
 
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I just called an AD in the Dallas area. As per the AD, Omega has told them that discounts are essentially no longer allowed. They said the best they can do on any Omega now is MAYBE 10%, which basically just gets rid of taxes and a bit more.

Looks like Omega is going to make grey market even more "exciting" as I can still find NiB Omegas with full box and intact warranties for 30% off MSRP
I believe its gonna take 3-6 months for it to trickle down as inventories move and new ones become available to gray dealers. Grays are in it to make money so I think the 30% days might be numbered. There will still discounts to be had but won't be as extensive as they were some years back.
 
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These are painful decisions that every manufacturer has to make. It takes time to reset your sales strategy and requires discipline. About 20 years ago Audemars Piguet was in a position where there were way too many AD's and discounting was rampant, often up to 50%. AP liquidated most of the sales outlets, went to boutique concept and rationalized production and prices. Today they have solid sales with little discounting and wait lists for many models. AP is a private company so no pesky shareholders had to be mollified, but it can be done and that is where the Swatch Group is headed. The old way of flooding the market with product and then having to discount it to move it off the shelves is over.
There is no discounting and waitlist for every single mens model. Only thing you can still walk in and buy are women's watches.
 
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I believe its gonna take 3-6 months for it to trickle down as inventories move and new ones become available to gray dealers. Grays are in it to make money so I think the 30% days might be numbered. There will still discounts to be had but won't be as extensive as they were some years back.

After visiting my AD again this week (incidentally, for a Snoopy update), he pointed out the Omega cases, which were around 70% empty aside from a 3861 Speedy hesalite, a few grey/blue Seamasters, an old silver RM and that odd Olympic timer watch thingie. No new POs, new blue, white or black SMP Divers, no SM 300s in any colour, no GMs, a few of the smaller Tresors. According to him there are waiting lists for SMPs, SM300s, Speedies and POs, some with deposits and some with a dozen names or more. Nothing discounted, beyond the usual PST where it was possible to finagle it. Strict orders from Omega that any discounting is discouraged and would come out of the smaller margins dealers are now receiving. Such is life in the New Omega.

OTOH, the store, which is the largest Omega, Rolex, Tudor and IWC dealer west of ON, had precisely 2 Rolex (DJ in weird hues) and a few older-model Tudors in PM or old-skool BB41s. They were sold out of nearly anything, and BB58s on bracelet and BB Pandas had waiting lists that were months long, as did the IWC BP43, Spitfire, Chronos and Portugesiers.

So perhaps Omega has just sniffed where the wind is going and jumped in before they were pushed. I guess things might shift back a little once the Covid Bounce (how odd a phrase that is) passes, but boy am I glad I picked up my SMPs and Speedies when I did.

Some good news: they will not be raising the price on any watches ordered with deposits that Omega cannot fulfill in a timely fashion. Something, I guess.
 
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Anecdotal, but fwiw I just got what amounted to an 18% discount on an SMPc a couple weeks ago from a NY state AD. (This after a local AD refused to do more than eat the sales tax.) Sounds like folks think the wind is shifting, but at least for now it’s worth the hunt.
 
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Obviously Omega wants to get rid of discounts. They want to be perceived as a true luxury brand and discounts are not luxurious at all. Being a discount-free brand is a very difficult status to achieve, mostly because ADs don't like having stuff sitting on shelves. But increasing demand and reducing the number of ADs have helped: I got strict 15% off from an Aqua Terra from my AD last week, a year ago it was easy 25%.

Omega can't really cut supply as much as independents (Rolex, AP, PP), shareholders tend to prefer short-term. Omega could easily create huge waitlist for Speedmasters but chose not to.
 
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I'm in Toppers all the time. I stay in Burlingame when I can't get home from a late flight. I absolutely will see what he can do next week. I was told by another associate that he felt comfortable he could do 15%, but I never thought in a million years to offer him 30%.


Hit Toppers today, got to officially meet Rob, through I had talked to him before. My SA that I have experience with was great as well. I couldn’t put the 30% to the test because although I went in to buy the green AT, I was completely smitten with a much hotter model that I can guarantee you no one comes close to 30%.

They did respect my purchase history and worked to get me a fair deal on a new Sapphire Moonwatch. I feel confident I couldn’t have been treated better anywhere else in the country, they are truly top notch. I didn’t wear it out as I prefer they ship it to me, but am excited to post some incoming photos when it arrives next week.
 
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The short term profitability-thinking of Swatch Groups shareholder mentality is not favourable here.
Looks like Omega is going to make grey market even more "exciting" as I can still find NiB Omegas with full box and intact warranties for 30% off MSRP
That will be the consequence until all discounted Omegas will be washed out of grey marked. Then the parallel outlet leakage into grey market channels might cease in acouple of years, since by then fewer Omegas will find their way into the grey market (less non-seller models and less spare margin on AD level). But that is a long way for a shareholder company.
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I spoke to my AD and was promised a 10% loyalty discount and the first service for free on a new 3861.
 
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I spoke to my AD and was promised a 10% loyalty discount and the first service for free on a new 3861.
For folks posting discounts it would be nice to post location etc.
 
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For folks posting discounts it would be nice to post location etc.
I disagree, in an environment where discounts are becoming harder to score because of Omega policy I would protect my source if they were willing to extend a courtesy discount for me because of past purchases.
 
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I disagree, in an environment where discounts are becoming harder to score because of Omega policy I would protect my source if they were willing to extend a courtesy discount for me because of past purchases.

Don't have to post AD. Country would be okay. Gives people a general idea. That's all.
 
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just bought a speedy the past week ... the director told me and I quote "discounts on Speedmaster and seamaster are over"
Country : FRANCE
 
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Ernest Jones in UK had Tokyo Seamaster for sale £3500 and a Speedy for same money.
Missed it as I only look at emails every few days.
You can still see on the website but says sold out so they were there and discounts exist.
Good news is as Omega fans we’re still not at Rolex level 0 discount/sale items in UK.