Looking for advice and opinions about a Speedmaster 145.022 76 ST

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Unless we are talking about an incredibly rare watch, serious damage to a dial corresponds to a serious hit in value, so the asking price is not a bargain. Still if the OP doesn't mind the scratches, and isn't worried about having to sell the watch in the future, then it becomes an issue of price. I think he should just keep in mind that a dial like that is not desirable to collectors, so the seller will not be able to get a strong price for it.

I agree about collectors, but a lot of people who would buy this watch probably wouldn’t class themselves as collectors and wouldn’t be too fussed over those tiny scratches, I imagine they look far worse in the pictures than they actually are.

Another thing to keep in mind is that it isn’t a step dial or older, it would be easier and cheaper to find a replacement dial for this watch should you want to sell it on.

Add an extract of archives and it has a bit more provenance and birth date attraction!
 
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If I look at the point where the subdial hands are attached, I see differences here between the subdials. From my perspective, this could mean one or more of them are replaced.

Matth

Imo that suggests the hands have likely been removed and then reattached (i.e. At service) but is in no way an indication that they've been replaced.
 
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Serial Fits with observed -76's
http://speedmaster101.com/serial-quick-reference-to-78/

Bezel is correct, tall TACHYMETRE no accent, and drop serifs on 7's
http://speedmaster101.com/base500-bezel-identification/

Dial damage is significant - first because of looks, and second because is indicates lack of care by who ever serviced it.

Bracelet is later service item, modeled on the original.

The price chart is a useful tool for getting into the ball park for value - it is not rigid. If we look at the chart for "Good" it is 3800 and running at 3000.

The issue here is the dial. The easy thing to do is look up what a dial is selling for and deduct that from good and see where you get to. A brief ebay search turns up nothing but the last decent one I saw sell for about USD$500. So strictly speaking, the value is [ 3800 - 500 - (Cost of replacing dial) + (bracelet and endlinks, 250) ]

This gives us a ball park of perhaps $3400. Then I would take off money for the trouble of finding and fitting a replacement dial, probably $400 which would leave me with a "Value" of $3,000. Then I would go up or down as my intuition, mood or general pleasure or pain of interaction with the seller was, but not by more than 10% each way.

Then wonder is the service really ok, and could you live with the scratch - I could, for a price.

The value of a fine 76 remains strong, and it is hard to find very good ones. To find a watch without any issues at all - that would pass muster here, might be $6,000+ with correct bracelet and extract. So all the criticisms leveled here are fair, but do you really want to pay double for a watch that from a few feet away will be hard to distinguish, and will have to be protected to preserve its value.

A watch like this at a sensible price, will provide years of everyday enjoyment free of worry.

So what is the sensible price? For what the OP watch is, any price below $3,000 would find multiple buyers. The bracelet while later, has value, and certainly utility, and is hard to distinguish from a distance from the original 1171 - and in a watch like this, I do not care - as long as the purchase price reflects that.

Now look at things another way. You have $3,000 in your pocket.

What kind of serviceable pre 78 speedmaster on an Omega bracelet can you get for that?

This kind of watch, at this kind of price is exactly why i like speedmasters.
 
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Imo that suggests the hands have likely been removed and then reattached (i.e. At service) but is in no way an indication that they've been replaced.

Indeed - nothing there indicates they have been replaced. All 3 hands fits on posts of different sizes, so the rivets on the 3 hands will look different.
 
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The patina of the minute-hand doesn´t seem to match the patina of the seconds- and hour-hand. That would be a sign that something has been exchanged, i think.
 
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This kind of watch, at this kind of price is exactly why i like speedmasters.

And this kind of detailed response and this kind of subject matter expertise is why I like Omega Forums. Thanks Spacey!
 
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You have a more critical eye than I do. I noticed that after looking at the sub-dials again (thanks to your observation) I see where they are whiter than the hr and min hands. Not a lot brighter but there is a difference. I'm not looking at the watch as a collector because I just wanted to wear it as a daily watch. I already own an Ed White and don't want to wear that one every day. But on the other hand, I don't want to overpay for this one if I decide to sell it in the future.
 
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Serial Fits with observed -76's
http://speedmaster101.com/serial-quick-reference-to-78/

Bezel is correct, tall TACHYMETRE no accent, and drop serifs on 7's
http://speedmaster101.com/base500-bezel-identification/

Dial damage is significant - first because of looks, and second because is indicates lack of care by who ever serviced it.

Bracelet is later service item, modeled on the original.

The price chart is a useful tool for getting into the ball park for value - it is not rigid. If we look at the chart for "Good" it is 3800 and running at 3000.

The issue here is the dial. The easy thing to do is look up what a dial is selling for and deduct that from good and see where you get to. A brief ebay search turns up nothing but the last decent one I saw sell for about USD$500. So strictly speaking, the value is [ 3800 - 500 - (Cost of replacing dial) + (bracelet and endlinks, 250) ]

This gives us a ball park of perhaps $3400. Then I would take off money for the trouble of finding and fitting a replacement dial, probably $400 which would leave me with a "Value" of $3,000. Then I would go up or down as my intuition, mood or general pleasure or pain of interaction with the seller was, but not by more than 10% each way.

Then wonder is the service really ok, and could you live with the scratch - I could, for a price.

The value of a fine 76 remains strong, and it is hard to find very good ones. To find a watch without any issues at all - that would pass muster here, might be $6,000+ with correct bracelet and extract. So all the criticisms leveled here are fair, but do you really want to pay double for a watch that from a few feet away will be hard to distinguish, and will have to be protected to preserve its value.

A watch like this at a sensible price, will provide years of everyday enjoyment free of worry.

So what is the sensible price? For what the OP watch is, any price below $3,000 would find multiple buyers. The bracelet while later, has value, and certainly utility, and is hard to distinguish from a distance from the original 1171 - and in a watch like this, I do not care - as long as the purchase price reflects that.

Now look at things another way. You have $3,000 in your pocket.

What kind of serviceable pre 78 speedmaster on an Omega bracelet can you get for that?

This kind of watch, at this kind of price is exactly why i like speedmasters.
 
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I see your point. Your comments and insight are greatly appreciated. So as I stand now if I can get it for 3000 or less I might do it. FYI. I'm not sure when it was serviced last but it keeps accurate time. At some point, it will have to be serviced so I have to take that into account. Again, thanks for the info.
 
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I think it’s an attractive daily wear. Yes it’s been man-handled and marred but that doesn’t mean it’s worthless. My SM120 has a faint scar in the dial from a watchmakers tool slip. If you look at it under a loupe while it’s out of the watch- yes, you can see it. Under domed plexi- nope, can’t see it.
I agree with the others who feel that if you are buying this with the intent of daily beater and not as a collector’s piece- then if you can get it cheaply, you may love it.
 
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I think it'll make an excellent daily beater at or below 3k or so. I'll bet the dial scratches aren't very visible without magnification, and if it were mine I might even take that bezel off and put a slightly more worn one on.