Looking for a new daily / overland / 4x4 for a small price

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Any car enthusiast here ?

Looking for a new daily / overland / 4x4 for a small price !
What would you recommend ?

Hesitating between Cayenne 957 and Land Rover LR3 (or discovery 3 in Europe)
 
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I love some of those overland Cayenne builds.
If I had to choose between the two with no real rationalization involved I'd pick the Cayenne over the Disco.
I've driven a 955 Turbo and a Disco 2 in the past and just from the road driving standpoint, the Porsche is the obvious winner IMO (even if it was a non-turbo).
I have not driven a D3 on the road but can't imagine it'd be much better than the D2. Never driven either off road.
However in stock form off road, I'd wager that the D3 may be slightly better out of the box. But if you are going to lightly mod both of them I bet they will be very similar in the end.
But that also depends on exactly what type of off roading you are going to be doing.
Not sure if Toyota 4-Runners are much of a thing across the pond, but that could be a solid contender as well if it is an option. Or better yet maybe a Land Cruiser.

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I wonder how much modification you would have to do to the Cayenne to make it really off-road worthy. I suspect you'd need a lift kit and new wheels at least (all the photos I saw on google showed low profile tires), which would add to the price. And it looks like it's already an $80k vehicle, so not exactly a "small price."

I've never been a huge fan of the Discovery, and the version you mentioned looks worse then a Subaru Forester, but it's much less expensive, and ready to go off-road right off the lot with decent clearance and wheels that can handle real all-terrain tires.

I do a fair amount of off-road driving, often on alpine jeep roads that require a pretty capable vehicle, but I'm not fancy and I don't care if my car has a prestigious brand name. I am on my third 4Runner, and when it's time for my next vehicle, it will probably be a 4Runner with the TRD trim. The new 4Runners aren't quite as good off-road as the ones from 20 years ago IMO, but they are still very capable, and obviously the Toyota reliability is second to none.
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I wonder how much modification you would have to do to the Cayenne to make it really off-road worthy. I suspect you'd need a lift kit and new wheels at least, which would add to the price. And it looks like it's already an $80k vehicle, so not exactly a "small price."

I've never been a huge fan of the Discovery, and the version you mentioned looks worse then a Subaru Forester, but it's much less expensive, and ready to go off-road right off the lot with decent clearance and wheels that can handle real all-terrain tires.

Luckily, the specific Cayenne in question can be had for a very reasonable price these days. But that is for a reason lol. They can be a bit maintenance heavy, but I don't imagine a Land Rover to be much better.
And there is really not a lot of modification to be done if you get the right truck. Some trims even have locking difs.
With the air suspension on the Cayenne you can actually get a decent lift from the OEM bags.
Here is one with the suspension in its highest setting on 33's:
Lifted-porsche-cayenne-4.jpg

Link to article where I pulled pic from:
https://offroadium.com/off-road-ready-lifted-porsche-cayenne-turbo-on-33s.html
 
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So they locked the suspension it the highest position and put large tires on the original wheels? Interesting. Looks a bit like an Outback from the side. 😁
 
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Get a real 4x4 is my vote….😉
 
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Get a real 4x4 is my vote….😉

Ok lets hear it! lol What do you suggest?
 
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Ok lets hear it! lol What do you suggest?



Toyota Hilux

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Mazda BT50
 
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Toyota Hilux

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Mazda BT50
No Hilux in the US but I’ve never gotten stuck in my Taco (Toyota Tacoma). Deep mud, sand, loose rocks, the Taco takes em all on. Light and easy, just throw a body or a couple rocks in the back if you need some weight. Noisy interior is the only drawback, you hear the wind on the highway. But nothing beats it on a dirt road IMO.
 
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Why not Subaru? They make some serious overland vehicles these days and the mod community is ridiculous. Maybe it's not as big over in the EU.
 
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Luckily, the specific Cayenne in question can be had for a very reasonable price these days. But that is for a reason lol. They can be a bit maintenance heavy, but I don't imagine a Land Rover to be much better.
And there is really not a lot of modification to be done if you get the right truck. Some trims even have locking difs.
With the air suspension on the Cayenne you can actually get a decent lift from the OEM bags.
Here is one with the suspension in its highest setting on 33's:
Lifted-porsche-cayenne-4.jpg

Link to article where I pulled pic from:
https://offroadium.com/off-road-ready-lifted-porsche-cayenne-turbo-on-33s.html

Air bag suspension ... not fun when the seals fail from the constant dust and dirt. I had an Audi Allroad with them and ended up doing coilovers since it was cost prohibitive to replace the factory junk.
 
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Air bag suspension ... not fun when the seals fail from the constant dust and dirt. I had an Audi Allroad with them and ended up doing coilovers since it was cost prohibitive to replace the factory junk.

Yeah if you are doing some serious off roading, a real coil over suspension would definitely be the way to go.
Air bags always seem to eventually fail.
P.S. I love Allroads. Definitely a contender for when I eventually replace my GTI.
 
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Get a real 4x4 is my vote….😉
LR3 are actually really good in off road ! Cayenne/Touareg first gen as well.

To be honnest I was a lot into cayenne (and Touareg) at the begining, but now looking at the clean design from the LR3 and how good they look in offroad mode, i might have switch team haha

LR3 are surprisingly reliable (at least that what I learned watching almost all the videos from Youtube haha) But like the Cayenne, can be expensive if something brake :/

Also, I'm a car designer so I assume I have a different perception on top of the off road capabilities and reliability 🤦

So I guess anyone in the LR3/4 team ? 🥰 (even after those pictures)
 
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Yea its worth noting that its only the first gen Cayenne that is good off road, I’ve been one that’s properly set up and its one of the most capable vehicles I’ve been in, the fact that as a starting point it already has better build quality, low CG, lots more power and vastly bigger brakes give it a significant advantage.

The second gen onwards lose the low range case and aren’t really designed for it at all
 
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Yea its worth noting that its only the first gen Cayenne that is good off road, I’ve been one that’s properly set up and its one of the most capable vehicles I’ve been in, the fact that as a starting point it already has better build quality, low CG, lots more power and vastly bigger brakes give it a significant advantage.

The second gen onwards lose the low range case and aren’t really designed for it at all

Yeah it is insane what the cayenne and touareg can do offroad, and actually, a lot of people think it is only a SUV ... but it no !
If I go Cayenne way, I would look for a 957 V6 (mayyyyyybe V8) lift and big wheels/tires
I don't know how big the difference is between coil and air suspension on Cayenne ?

On LR3 apparently the air suspension are really good
 
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I wonder how much modification you would have to do to the Cayenne to make it really off-road worthy. I suspect you'd need a lift kit and new wheels at least (all the photos I saw on google showed low profile tires), which would add to the price. And it looks like it's already an $80k vehicle, so not exactly a "small price."

I've never been a huge fan of the Discovery, and the version you mentioned looks worse then a Subaru Forester, but it's much less expensive, and ready to go off-road right off the lot with decent clearance and wheels that can handle real all-terrain tires.

I do a fair amount of off-road driving, often on alpine jeep roads that require a pretty capable vehicle, but I'm not fancy and I don't care if my car has a prestigious brand name. I am on my third 4Runner, and when it's time for my next vehicle, it will probably be a 4Runner with the TRD trim. The new 4Runners aren't quite as good off-road as the ones from 20 years ago IMO, but they are still very capable, and obviously the Toyota reliability is second to none.

Current 4Runner owner here, previous JKU owner as well.

Love my Runner as dead stock, and loved my JKU as well but only after throwing around 26k into it. 👍😗

Once we left the PNW the JKU was ridiculous to keep so I heartbreakingly sold it.

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3rd and 4th gen 4 Runner can be had pretty cheap and last forever.

My 3rd gen was my favorite TBH. Underpowered, but great off-road, and good-looking. The Torsen differential was very convenient around town in the partially snow/ice covered roads that are so common here in the winter.
 
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You bastards. Now you have me looking at first generation Cayennes. Did you know you can get them with a manual transmission?