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Is this a redial constellation piepan ?
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gbesq
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The crosshair gives me some pause, but I’m really not sure. What’s important for you to remember is that there’s nothing wrong with owning a watch with a good redial as long as you’re not a collector. A redial DOES detract from the overall value of the watch. But if you like the way the watch looks and intend to use it as a daily wearer, it’s absolutely fine as long as you didn’t overpay for it.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!I would need to see better photos, but I think that the Connie on the right is a true PP, but the one on the left is not. Are you sure there is actually a step? It has been established, I believe, that some of these dials have a polygon-shaped paint job that tricks the eye into seeing a step. But if you look very closely using a loupe, even at an angle, one cannot actually see any abrupt change of slope. It can be an illusion due to the change of paint color and the angle of the brush strokes.
One must be willing to look with an open mind and to challenge long-held assumptions. In this thread, and the previous one where we discussed this, a few people have claimed that some of the dials actually have a very slight step/kink that is hard to see. I have asked them to show good photos illustrating this feature, but nobody has done so. Perhaps @padders will take on this challenge with a macro shot taken at the appropriate angle.
I do wish you would concentrate less on the presence or otherwise of supposed step and more on whether the plane of the dial changes at the edge. Any step is irrelevant. This is what defines a pie pan, the 12 straight folds leading to the scalloped sides. AFAIK there is no faux PP Connie with the polygonal 12 sided pattern, though there are certainly dome dials with brush effects that do look to have a plane change. These in my experience have a circular ring in the middle, not one made up of straight lines.
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Dan S
·I'll post some better pics later showing hopefully that there is no defined step as you call it but there is a defined change of plane leading to the 12 scalloped sides, this is not just a brush Trompe-l'œil.
I do wish you would concentrate less on the presence or otherwise of supposed step and more on whether the plane of the dial changes at the edge. Any step is irrelevant. This is what defines a pie pan, the 12 straight folds leading to the scalloped sides. AFAIK there is no faux PP Connie with the polygonal 12 sided pattern, though there are certainly dome dials with brush effects that do look to have a plane change. These in my experience have a circular ring in the middle, not one made up of straight lines.
I agree that what defines the pie-pan is a "kink", or a discontinuous change of slope. Not a step. Let's agree to call it a kink, instead of a step.
However, I don't agree about the absence of polygonal faux PP dials. I think they are common, actually.
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·You are welcome to show me a convincing photo, and then I will believe. Until then, I can just be the crazy OF pie-pan skeptic. 😉
the last photo he posted clearly showed both watches have the folded, kinked or whatever pie pan dial. 👍
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorPie pan 👍
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gbesq
·the last photo he posted clearly showed both watches have the folded, kinked or whatever pie pan dial. 👍
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Mauzer
·Ah, soms interesting posts about definition of a PiePan. IMHO a piepan is the shape of the dial instead of the paint applied.
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ConElPueblo
·You are welcome to show me a convincing photo, and then I will believe. Until then, I can just be the crazy OF pie-pan skeptic. 😉
The funny thing is that Omega (on their online database at least) calls the dials we normally define as dome dials pie-pans as well.
If push came to shove, I'd rather call the dials with painted, angular transitions pie-pans than the ones with no angular edge, painted or not.
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Dan S
·The funny thing is that Omega (on their online database at least) calls the dials we normally define as dome dials pie-pans as well.
If push came to shove, I'd rather call the dials with painted, angular transitions pie-pans than the ones with no angular edge, painted or not.
Yes, this semantic aspect definitely complicates things. I can't always tell how much of this discussion is simply related to different uses of the PP term, and how much is related to the fact that different people are seeing different things in the photos.
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Vegabond
·I didn't expect my post would make another discussion and i've also learned a lot. My watch buying wise, I decide to cancel this order due to the missing screw and my suspicion of repaint of dial.. I'm not a collector but i would definitely avoid if it is redial because i personally think originality(especially dial) is one of the most important thing of vintage.. Anyway, Thanks for helping guys!
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Dan S
·I didn't expect my post would make another discussion and i've also learned a lot. My watch buying wise, I decide to cancel this order due to the missing screw and my suspicion of repaint of dial.. I'm not a collector but i would definitely avoid if it is redial because i personally think originality(especially dial) is one of the most important thing of vintage.. Anyway, Thanks for helping guys!
Apologies for de-railing your thread, but hopefully you got the info you needed.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!The funny thing is that Omega (on their online database at least) calls the dials we normally define as dome dials pie-pans as well.
If push came to shove, I'd rather call the dials with painted, angular transitions pie-pans than the ones with no angular edge, painted or not.
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Edward53
·Personally I think that the step is there and that an illusion of non-pie-pannery is caused by the watch being lit from the 12 side. I also wonder if the lighting angle is somehow causing some of the printing to appear thicker than it really is. The vertical cross hair appears quite heavy, but the horizontal one looks normal.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!@Dan S As you asked I did take a couple of pics of my less steppy PP, the one on the LHS earlier which is model 14381. While I am 100% there is a kink, I realise that it isn't proven by these pics so I don't think you will necessarily agree. The problem is to really show it you need a very low angle, something that is prevented by the crystal in a cased dial. Anyhoo you asked and I deliver. I would be genuinely curious to see the opposite, a 12 sided middle section with a non kinked rim ie a faux pp done by brushing, if you can find me a verifiable one:
I know you dismissed the pic of a 2 tone that gbesq posted of the Geneve earlier as irrelevant , but I have one too which has one of the best faux pp dials IMO so thought I’d post that too, mostly because I like it lol.
I know you dismissed the pic of a 2 tone that gbesq posted of the Geneve earlier as irrelevant , but I have one too which has one of the best faux pp dials IMO so thought I’d post that too, mostly because I like it lol.
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Dan S
·@Dan S As you asked I did take a couple of pics of my less steppy PP, the one on the LHS earlier which is model 14381. While I am 100% there is a kink, I realise that it isn't proven by these pics so I don't think you will necessarily agree. The problem is to really show it you need a very low angle, something that is prevented by the crystal in a cased dial. Anyhoo you asked and I deliver. I would be genuinely curious to see the opposite, a 12 sided middle section with a non kinked rim ie a faux pp done by brushing, if you can find me a verifiable one:
Thanks @padders. I think that @Shabbaz and others showed some photos of Connies with a 12-sided middle section that they believed to be non-kinked. And @Sherbie posted some information from Desmond's blog, seeming to support this conjecture. This was in the previous thread linked below.
Again, the problem is that it is going to be very difficult to distinguish between a non-kinked dial and a dial with a kink that is too small to see in photographs. So because of that issue, most people will probably continue with their current belief. Which is fine, actually, because it doesn't really change anything one way or the other.
My view is that if the kink is too small to distinguish in any photograph, then perhaps it doesn't exist. Or at least that's a possibility that should be considered, even if a particular dial is conventionally called PP. Anyway, I feel like I've already belabored this too much. 😁
https://omegaforums.net/threads/little-confusion-on-my-new-pie-pan-crosshair.119395/
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