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smoothsecondscom
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Hi OF'ers,

I found a vintage longines conquest and worked out a deal with the buyer. However, as I'm researching the dial as a final check I'm starting to have doubts. (the seller is fairly well known in the watch world, so I presumed the watch would be authentic).

Do you guys think this is a redial? Conquest seems to be cursive in every other comparable watch that I've found and most of them also have conquest written with three stars.

let me know what you think!

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Hi all,

This is my watch that I’ve had for a while. I personally don’t believe it’s a redial as it’s too perfect under a scope. My only assumption would be that it’s a service dial from the later 60’s early 70’s conquest text. This would be surely plausible.

Concerning the dial is too corse, I beg to differ that this could even be assumed from a filtered Instagram pic 😀
 
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matkaz matkaz
Hi all,
This is my watch that I’ve had for a while. I personally don’t believe it’s a redial as it’s too perfect under a scope. My only assumption would be that it’s a service dial from the later 60’s early 70’s conquest text. This would be surely plausible.
Concerning the dial is too corse, I beg to differ that this could even be assumed from a filtered Instagram pic 😀
The critical point is that the dial is not original to a ref. 9024.

With regard to the finish, relatively coarse brush marks are visible in the photos above. While original examples with a similar finish were produced (see below), they are less common than the more finely brushed dials.

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https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/36454...al-date-9024-2-963-men-1950-1959#&gid=1&pid=1
 
DirtyDozen12
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smoothsecondscom smoothsecondscom
Ah, thank you!

The seller seems to think it is a service dial. Do you think that would be possible?
Is it possible, yes. However, the fact that the dial is not original severely detracts from the appeal/value of the watch (to the majority of collectors). Whether the dial is a service replacement or an independently refinished one does not have much bearing on appeal/value. Since this is a common reference, most collectors would advise you to wait for an original example.
 
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matkaz matkaz
This is my watch that I’ve had for a while. I personally don’t believe it’s a redial as it’s too perfect under a scope. My only assumption would be that it’s a service dial from the later 60’s early 70’s conquest text. This would be surely plausible.

Concerning the dial is too corse, I beg to differ that this could even be assumed from a filtered Instagram pic 😀

If you care to convince any critical collectors of its "perfection", I suggest that you provide a large, high-quality photo that is not over-processed. As it stands now, even the "service dial" claim is dubious, at best.
 
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Tony C. Tony C.
If you care to convince any critical collectors of its "perfection", I suggest that you provide a large, high-quality photo that is not over-processed. As it stands now, even the "service dial" claim is dubious, at best.


I never provided this image, the person took it from my IG. I’m not going to argue over it but don’t make me out to be some kind of cad over a low value watch. Far from my style!
If I’m wrong I always hold my hands up.

Have a great day
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Tony C.
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matkaz matkaz
I never provided this image, the person took it from my IG. I’m not going to argue over it but don’t make me out to be some kind of cad over a low value watch. Far from my style!
If I’m wrong I always hold my hands up.

I do not know if you are a cad or not, but what I do know is that you could post a photo here to support your claim, yet for some reason, you haven't done so.
 
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Tony C. Tony C.
I do not know if you are a cad or not, but what I do know is that you could post a photo here to support your claim, yet for some reason, you haven't done so.

Lovely attitude 😀

Here is a photo of it. Like I said I’m holding on to it been a service dial as if it had to be re done through serious damage then surely the hands would have been affected and they are fine.

I’m confident you’ll still cry redial which is fine. I’ve seen these posts before 😉
 
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Tony C.
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My attitude is merely a reflection of a seller making an unsupportable claim. 😉

If Longines supplied something of this quality in service dials, I would be both very surprised and disappointed:

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not to mention what appears to be mismatched centering:

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For comparison purposes, here is a typical original dial of a similar style, though of far higher quality:

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DirtyDozen12
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To summarize:

1. Is the dial original? No, it has the wrong fonts for a ref. 9024 dial. See correct examples posted above.

2. Is the dial a service dial? Probably not, as the quality of the printing is not comparable with equivalent, original dials. See correct examples posted above and below.

3. Has @matkaz won us over with his ad hoc hypothesizing and passive-aggressive use of emojis? You bet! 😉

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Ronstrous
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Wouldn't the uneven spacing of the minute markers between the third and fifth hour be a giveaway as well?
Also the varying lengths of the minute markers. Compare for instance 23 with 47.
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Dan S
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I'm late to the party, but I'll also opine that the dial on that watch was NOT made by Longines. It's a mediocre redial. In addition to the points made about the printing, the alignment of the minute track is horrible.

As for the seller's reasoning about the dial being a service dial because the hands are in good condition, I can only say WTF? I'm curious about the identity of this well-known seller.
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I'm late to the party, but I'll also opine that the dial on that watch was NOT made by Longines. It's a mediocre redial. In addition to the points made about the printing, the alignment of the minute track is horrible.

As for the seller's reasoning about the dial being a service dial because the hands are in good condition, I can only say WTF? I'm curious about the identity of this well-known seller.

World Taekwondo Federation?
 
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I recently picked up one of these ref 9024 pieces by the way. Nice watches, but not terribly expensive, so worth waiting for one that is a bit better IMO. The condition of the caseback medallion is also important for me.

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