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Is this a redial constellation piepan ?

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Hi guys, i've got helped a lot about the issue with my first vintage omega watch here and i need your help again!
I finally bought my first connie watch that i've been desired for a long time. Seller said all parts are original except bracelet and never refinished or redial but i just want to make sure how it looks on you guys..
My winning bid was around $1,100 and i wonder if this was worth it on eyes so far..
 
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Constellation, yes.
Redial, no.
Pie-pan, no.

The watch has some obvious condition issues, but looks legit to me. Regulator screw seems to be missing.
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Constellation, yes.
Redial, no.
Pie-pan, no.

The watch has some obvious condition issues, but looks legit to me. Regulator screw seems to be missing.
So are you saying this is a no redial but no piepan ??
Regulator screw missing problem - is it big problem ?
Thanks!
 
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So are you saying this is a no redial but no piepan ??
Regulator screw missing problem - is it big problem ?
Thanks!

Correct. Not a redial, not a pie-pan IMO. Sorry if my first post was confusing, I was actually trying to be clear. The missing regulator screw is probably not a big deal for a watchmaker to replace, but it obviously means that the watch hasn't been serviced, in case that was claimed by the seller.
 
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Constellation, yes.
Redial, no.
Pie-pan, no.

The watch has some obvious condition issues, but looks legit to me. Regulator screw seems to be missing.

Pie-Pan, yes.
 
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Reference 167.005. I’m with X350 XJR. Clearly a pie pan dial.
 
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Reference 167.005. I’m with X350 XJR. Clearly a pie pan dial.

Just curious if you read that other thread, and looked REALLY closely at the OP dial. There is no step. The apparent pie-pan aspect of the dial comes entirely from the paint job. If you want to call that a pie-pan, fine. But I will reserve the term for dials where the actual dial blank itself has the pie-pan shape.

Edit: If Norm (@X350 XJR ) says I'm wrong, then I will give it up; I know I'm being a pain about this. 😀

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Just curious if you read that other thread, and looked REALLY closely at the OP dial. There is no step. The apparent pie-pan aspect of the dial comes entirely from the paint job. If you want to call that a pie-pan, fine. But I will reserve the term for dials where the actual dial blank itself has the pie-pan shape.

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So this is an original dial but those paint make it look like a pie pan shape, correct ? Is this common thing on vintage connie ?
 
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Just curious if you read that other thread, and looked REALLY closely at the OP dial. There is no step. The apparent pie-pan aspect of the dial comes entirely from the paint job. If you want to call that a pie-pan, fine. But I will reserve the term for dials where the actual dial blank itself has the pie-pan shape.

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Yes, I read the other thread. I also own a reference 167.005 AND its predecessor, a reference 14900. Respectfully, they are both pie pan dialed Connies.
 
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Yes, I read the other thread. I also own a reference 167.005 AND its predecessor, a reference 14900. Respectfully, they are both pie pan dialed Connies.

I'm not talking about your watches or a generic 167.005. I can only look at actual photos, not assume anything. Can you explain why you think the OP dial is a pie-pan? You agree that there is no step, I assume.
 
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Correct. Not a redial, not a pie-pan IMO. Sorry if my first post was confusing, I was actually trying to be clear. The missing regulator screw is probably not a big deal for a watchmaker to replace, but it obviously means that the watch hasn't been serviced, in case that was claimed by the seller.
Seller said it has been serviced even 20 days ago he checked it again just now.. now im confused lol
 
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Seller said it has been serviced even 20 days ago he checked it again just now.. now im confused lol

Strange way to adjust the timing then.
 
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I'm not talking about your watches. I can only look at photos, not assume anything. Can you explain why you think the OP dial is a pie-pan? You agree that there is no step, I assume.
Dan, I may very well be mistaken, but I’m not aware of any reference 167.005 that is not a pie pan dial, at least according to Omega. If you have contrary authority, I’m happy to look at it and will admit it if I’m mistaken.
 
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Dan, I may very well be mistaken, but I’m not aware of any reference 167.005 that is not a pie pan dial, at least according to Omega. If you have contrary authority, I’m happy to look at it and will admit it if I’m mistaken.

I'm just talking about the specific dial in this thread. Blow up the photo and look closely and tell me if you think it has an actual step. I have no idea if it's correct for a 167.005, if the case-back has been replaced, etc. I'm really just trying to get this issue sorted out.
 
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I'm just talking about the specific dial in this thread. Blow up the photo and look closely and tell me if you think it has an actual step. I have no idea if it's correct for a 167.005, if the case-back has been replaced, etc. I'm really just trying to get this issue sorted out.
If you are suggesting that the dial is not original to THIS watch, and therefore possibly not a genuine 167.005 dial, that is certainly possible and I cannot answer that question.
 
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Wait wait, What is OP dial ? so this is not an original ?

I am not a Constellation expert, I am just using my eyes. The OP dial is not 12-sided, it has a paint job that makes it look 12-sided. @gbesq says that all 167.005 references should have a 12-sided dial. I don't know.
 
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