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Hello, and please tell me about my watch!
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·👍 Good decision. With a little patience I am sure that you will find a nice vintage example. I know The George Inn in Stamford well, used to live nearby, nice hotel, very swish these days.
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·LOL LOL You just made me blow coffee out my nose. And get the seller to pay, that’s priceless. If this seller made the claims stated it’s almost guaranteed the “guarantee “ isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. If it even is a written guarantee.
Hehe, correct - I’d indeed very much recommend the return option and I doubt there’s any reliable guarantee, let alone reimbursement for the cost of a reliable watchmaker. Still wanted to phrase it less directly. 😀
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·I have an Omega with the same calibre 283 movement. It has been a long time since I have monitored the timekeeping of that watch. But as I recall, I was happy to get it within 10 to 15 seconds per day. Not chronometer time, but since it is over 60 years old, I can live with that on the odd occasion when I wear it. And the calibre 283 in not a chronometer.
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·I really dislike these sellers who play games with language, calling a repainted dial "original". I guarantee if you call it to his attention he will claim that the dial is original, but restored. 🤦
Of course, that is not how the term "original" is used among watch collectors. And in this case, it is difficult to claim that something is "restored", when it has been repainted with a lie. 😁
Of course, that is not how the term "original" is used among watch collectors. And in this case, it is difficult to claim that something is "restored", when it has been repainted with a lie. 😁
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·I really dislike these sellers who play games with language, calling a repainted dial "original". I guarantee if you call it to his attention he will claim that the dial is original, but restored. 🤦
Of course, that is not how the term "original" is used among watch collectors. And in this case, it is difficult to claim that something is "restored", when it has been repainted with a lie. 😁
The irony here is that if the dial wasn't misleading I would potentially keep the watch and negotiate some sort of resolution around getting it running right. But with the dial telling porkies I am not interested.
It's a bit like buying a "Turbo" badge to add to the back of your non-turbo car.
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·This nonsense some dealers use around describing refinished dials as original “it’s the original dial plate, just repainted”.
The fact is, non of the desirability, collectibility, value or character is in the dial plate, it’s in the original print. Just like with a painting there’s little/no value in the wood/canvas.
The fact is, non of the desirability, collectibility, value or character is in the dial plate, it’s in the original print. Just like with a painting there’s little/no value in the wood/canvas.
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·This nonsense some dealers use around describing refinished dials as original “it’s the original dial plate, just repainted”.
The fact is, non of the desirability, collectibility, value or character is in the dial plate, it’s in the original print. Just like with a painting there’s little/no value in the wood/canvas.
I understand that but I am not a purist. I would be fine with a repainted dial, just not one with false claims on it. It's like restoring the Mona Lisa and giving her a boob job.
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·You don’t need to be a purist to realise this isn’t worth what it once was.
No boobs jobs or other enhancements here.
No boobs jobs or other enhancements here.
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·👍 The George Inn in Stamford... nice hotel, very swish these days.
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·+1 for sure. Off-track since the iron horse took over in the nineteenth century, well worth the detour IIRC!
Its quite good usually, but I've had the odd poor meal. Good atmosphere though.
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·Okay, the Omega is still running like a bag of spanners. But keeping remarkably good time, for reasons that I cannot fully fathom.
However, the "Cal. 283 Chronometer" question has arisen before, it seems:
https://mrjoneswatches.com/products/omega-chronometer
https://omegaforums.net/threads/incoming-later-today.91972/
Neither of those watches look like they have had the dials re-painted. So, is it possible that some Dennison cased Cal. 283 watches either WERE tested and passed as chronometers or otherwise were branded as such but actually weren't?
However, the "Cal. 283 Chronometer" question has arisen before, it seems:
https://mrjoneswatches.com/products/omega-chronometer
https://omegaforums.net/threads/incoming-later-today.91972/
Neither of those watches look like they have had the dials re-painted. So, is it possible that some Dennison cased Cal. 283 watches either WERE tested and passed as chronometers or otherwise were branded as such but actually weren't?
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·Okay, the Omega is still running like a bag of spanners. But keeping remarkably good time, for reasons that I cannot fully fathom.
However, the "Cal. 283 Chronometer" question has arisen before, it seems:
https://mrjoneswatches.com/products/omega-chronometer
https://omegaforums.net/threads/incoming-later-today.91972/
Neither of those watches look like they have had the dials re-painted. So, is it possible that some Dennison cased Cal. 283 watches either WERE tested and passed as chronometers or otherwise were branded as such but actually weren't?
Swapped parts between watches. You can find anything on the internet if you look hard enough.
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·Swapped parts between watches. You can find anything on the internet if you look hard enough.
I didn't look very hard for those.
The one picked up at auction has a dial and case that look consistently patinated, don't they? The other chap seemed somewhat persuaded that the watch was original.
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·Interesting. I can say that I know Mr Jones a little and don't think he is the kind that would be swapping dials in to help his sales, and he is totally transparent in his description of the watch.
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·Interesting. I can say that I know Mr Jones a little and don't think he is the kind that would be swapping dials in to help his sales, and he is totally transparent in his description of the watch.
Whether the dial is correct or not, the watch still has approaching 100 seconds difference in rate between positions. Which I suspect is poor, even for an old watch.
I am surprised that it is keeping such good time on the wrist, despite looking so grim on the timegrapher.
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·Personally, I would still return on the basis of redial and poor performance, but each to his own. I am certainly not qualified to speak to the nature of the timekeeping issues but Archer has and that would be persuasive for me.
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·Interesting. I can say that I know Mr Jones a little and don't think he is the kind that would be swapping dials in to help his sales, and he is totally transparent in his description of the watch.
Nobody is accusing any particular seller. These watches are 70 years old, and many things can happen over the years. A great deal of research has been done about Omega chronometers. Hopefully if @mac_omega comments, we can end the speculation.
