Can anyone talk me out of buying this 145.022-69?

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OMEGuy

·Dec 28, 2019

The dial is stunning. The case and bezel are good and the 1039 / 506 bracelet is included (even if not perfect). If the movement was fine, I guess I would take this watch after having negotiated the price and try to source a better caseback, a crown and a set of tritium hands. If I was ending up at $6k, that would still be fair for me.

 

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Pilot85

·Dec 28, 2019

Is the flash in the photos or that watch has been extremely polished?

Dial looks amazing!

the rest has been said. 4.5K maybe

 

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JwRosenthal

·Dec 28, 2019

If the seller had it serviced prior to sale, I would ask if their watchmaker returned the parts to them or if they could get the original hands back. They may not think they are desirable.
If the watch hasn’t been serviced (with paperwork proving it, add another $5-700, plus a replacement caseback and sourcing period hands...it’s all adding up to be worth more than the watch....and you have an overpolished case

 

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Matth84

·Jan 1, 2020

Do you know if it’s polished?

Best, Matth

 

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Pinoysurf

·Jan 1, 2020

Matth1984

Do you know if it’s polished?

Best, Matth

Yea just by looking at it. 50 year old watches don't look that good. 😉

 

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ndgal

·Jan 1, 2020

Pinoysurf

DNN bezel looks good and I think that's correct for a 3059xxxx.

It's not. 3059xxxx is 220 serial range. Service Lumi hands. Drag mark on running seconds subdial. Case is way over polished. Pass on this.

 

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ATWG

·Jan 1, 2020

As most folks have intimated, I'd pass on this watch for reasons stated.

Be patient, hang around this forum and you'll see very nice examples come up for sale from trusted members. This is not a hard to come by reference, it's probably one of the most produced of it's kind (pre-moon) to commemorate the lunar landing in '69.

 

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TJH

·Jan 1, 2020

In the close-up pictures I think I can see a hint of gouge marks in the small seconds sub-dial...

 

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gemini4

·Jan 1, 2020·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

ndgal

It's not. 3059xxxx is 220 serial range.

Yes but not all 3059xxxx have a 220 bezel.
I have a 30596xxx with a 220 bezel and
30593xxx without.

 

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ndgal

·Jan 1, 2020

gemini4

30593xxx without.

That's because somebody swapped it out at some point. 30593xxx is also 220 range.

 

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gemini4

·Jan 1, 2020·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

ndgal

That's because somebody swapped it out at some point. 30593xxx is also 220 range.

No way a DON bezel could have wandered into that particular watch? It’s very close to the MWO “up to around” upper DON ceiling of 30588xxx. I’m thinking outlier😀

Edited: Jan 1, 2020

 

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ndgal

·Jan 1, 2020

gemini4

No way a DON bezel could have wandered into that particular watch? It’s very close to the MWO “up to around” upper DON ceiling of 30588xxx. I’m thinking outlier😀

Just got one with a 220. 30.593.5xx serial.

 

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gemini4

·Jan 1, 2020·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

ndgal

Just got one with a 220. 30.593.5xx serial.

Ok. My Don example is a bit earlier, 305932xx.

 

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ndgal

·Jan 1, 2020

gemini4

Ok. My Don example is a bit earlier, 305932xx.

So we might have just found the DON > DNN 220 cutoff point within ~300 numbers...

 

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Pinoysurf

·Jan 1, 2020

ndgal

It's not. 3059xxxx is 220 serial range. Service Lumi hands. Drag mark on running seconds subdial. Case is way over polished. Pass on this.

What is the cause of the drag mark out of curiosity? Bad service hand or bad installation?

 

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ndgal

·Jan 2, 2020

Pinoysurf

bad installation

That.

 

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jeppehh

·Jan 2, 2020

ndgal

So we might have just found the DON > DNN 220 cutoff point within ~300 numbers...

Om that note. I got this info from @speedy4ever in a previous post on this forum:

More important is to consider the production date. Of the several hundreds 145.022-69 we have in our database, the relationship between production date and bezel type is rather clear:
- DON (type B1) until September/October 1970
- 220 (type B2bis) from end August 1970 to end December 1970 (possibly until January 1971 with new data we had, still to be verified)
- type B2 from November 1970

I have a 30992xxx that has a DNN bezel. It has a EoA from 4th of November 1970.

 

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bucksandreds

·Jan 11, 2020

The bracelet and endlinks alone are prob worth $2000. Question is how much does the overpolishing and incorrect hands detract from the value of the watch?