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145.006 / 145.016 Seamaster Chronograph Research Thread

  1. Eve

    Eve Nov 19, 2019

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    Just landed a 145.016-68 ::love:: holy moly!
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  2. timestamp

    timestamp Dec 4, 2019

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    Hi everybody, I recently got my hands on this 145.006-66.

    As a newcomer to the 145.006/16 topic (thanks, great thread!), I think this example looks pretty nice, with one catch (see later below...).

    I would very much appreciate your input and thoughts. Did I miss anything? Here goes:
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    Dial, hour, minute and subdial hands are fine as far as I can tell. I am pretty confident about the chrono seconds as well, although it might be just so slightly short... hard to tell, because the pics I have for comparison mostly show the tachymeter scale, which seems to have a slightly different radius for the outer print. Dial is the "Black Pulsometer Radial" variant, which seems to be one of the rarer ones.

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    Crystal seems to be correct and has the Omega logo - not really visible in the pics.

    The case has the usual wear and light scratches, but great edges and does not look refinished to me. Caseback is great as well, even retains the matte surface of the inner medallion.

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    Inner caseback is unremarkable and correct.

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    Which brings us to the movement, where the issue is - this is a 321 of the earliest variant, I think MWO calls this "A1". An obvious indicator beeing the chrono drive-wheel bridge that is missing the bevel. The other obvious hint is, of course, the serial. If this movement were in a Speedmaster, that serial would be well in early CK 2915 territory, around 1957-58. Which is obviously 10 years too early for the rest of the watch.

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    I guess I will order an extract to find out where this movement comes from.

    Other than that, it seems to be missing a movement holder screw, which should be no big deal (is it?).

    Any other things of note that I missed?
     
    Edited Dec 4, 2019
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  3. jhross98

    jhross98 Dec 4, 2019

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    it looks like a very nice catch. i have the same model and wear it all the time
     
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  4. kov

    kov Dec 5, 2019

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    @timestamp nice watch ! But... Unfortunately as you already noticed, this movement doesn't belong to this reference. If you order an extract and provide photographs of your watch (now you have to), you will most probably simply lose your money as they will confirm you your watch doesn't match their records and no extract can be issued.
     
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  5. kov

    kov Dec 5, 2019

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    Just realized we've been missing a description of the Black radial dial from a 145.016 (cal 861) :

    - Black dial
    - Printed logo
    - Radial sub counters
    - Long tritium indexes
    - Integrated tachymètre scale on a white background
    - White hour and minute hands with a tritium track
    - Orange chrono hand (18.20mm)
    - White sub counter hands

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    --> First reference post updated accordingly.

    By the way, there is something totally new to come soon into this research thread :cool:
     
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  6. kov

    kov Dec 5, 2019

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    Just realized we've been missing a description of the grey soccer dial from a 145.016 (cal 861) :

    - Grey dial
    - Printed logo
    - Radial sub counters with soccer colors
    - Short tritium indexes
    - Integrated minute track on a white background
    - Orange hour and minute hands with a tritium track
    - White chrono hand (18.20mm)
    - White sub counter hands at 3 and 6
    - Orange sub counter hand at 9

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    --> First reference post updated accordingly.
     
  7. timestamp

    timestamp Dec 5, 2019

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    Are you sure? I was hoping that they would issue an extract that tells me the reference the movements was originally sold in - they don’t do that anymore?

    Also, don’t they refund the money if they won’t issue the extract?
     
  8. Eve

    Eve Dec 5, 2019

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    They dont do that anymore, i just paid to find out the serial wont match the watch from the photo. No additional information, no refund, but there is another thread on that matter. ;)
     
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  9. timestamp

    timestamp Dec 5, 2019

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    Ok I just re-read their terms, thanks. Very unfortunate :(
     
  10. skipper

    skipper Dec 12, 2019

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    I believe these are 38mm exc. crown, but does anybody know the lug (tip) to lug length? Thanks

    Edit - 43mm I believe. Great post btw KOV, very informative, thanks.
     
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  11. kov

    kov Dec 12, 2019

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    :thumbsup:
     
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  12. super70

    super70 Dec 14, 2019

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    5E0D4DF7-8613-4A15-9A71-AC78ADC322C4.png 5E0D4DF7-8613-4A15-9A71-AC78ADC322C4.png 67309F3D-2558-4D70-B21A-65D01171D20D.png F7E66F34-4B3B-4543-BDCD-630C75FF01B7.png FF1DBB80-3D0A-4176-B5C5-5A139599D222.jpeg 9BA263F9-A7CD-4BDD-BCFD-2A19173EB2F0.jpeg Hi,
    new arrival, at least virtually.
    Will pick up tomorrow and post better fotos soon, for now thats what i can share ... sone of you might have seen it offered in the bay.

    Think it is a still decent and unmolested 145.006-66 Reverse Panda, printed, 321 looks clean, and the 25x serial is in line what you would expect.
     
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  13. kov

    kov Dec 14, 2019

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    Yes have seen it on eBay. Congrats for your incoming :thumbsup:
     
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  14. adam78

    adam78 Adam @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 17, 2019

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    Sorry for coming to the party late--no excuse, I haven't been quite as active here in recent months.

    I've had these (145.006 with black radial dial; 146.016 with reverse panda dial) for quite awhile. I believe both are unpolished examples.

    Great thread! Two references finally getting the attention they deserve.
     
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  15. Eve

    Eve Dec 29, 2019

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    Can somebody be kind and tell what is the Reference Number for the correct crown for a 145.016-68?
    It seems i have a wrong one :/
    Any help appreciated! Thank you!
     
  16. Archer

    Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Dec 29, 2019

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    Current replacement crown is 069ST43044.

    Cheers, Al
     
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  17. Eve

    Eve Dec 29, 2019

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    Hallo Archer, Thank you!
    Is there any chance to check out the dimensions of 069ST43044? Because maybe my one is a current replacement crown. :confused:

    My one looks like this (thicker):
    It has Diameter~6.2mm and thickness ~3. 5mm.
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    And all the other ones look like that (slimmer) :
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    Hard to tell but i think also the radius is larger on the correct one. At least visually from a photo.
     
    Edited Dec 29, 2019
  18. Archer

    Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Dec 29, 2019

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    Omega doesn't give dimensions fore things like this. When you are ordering factory parts from a brand, you typically order by part number, not by dimensions. I look up the case, and see what crown is called out for that case, and that is what Omega says goes with the case. No dimensions are needed for the purpose of ordering, so they don't provide them most of the time.

    The only way to get dimensions is to have one in hand and measure it. I checked my stock but this is not a crown I have on hand.

    Cheers, Al
     
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  19. Eve

    Eve Dec 29, 2019

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    No problem, thank you anyways!
     
  20. jimf42

    jimf42 Jan 17, 2020

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    I just noticed this post. I have this watch. I really like it. Same reverse Panda, same blue second hand. IMG_20200108_090037.jpg