Who made this movement?

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Rolex uses that regulating feature on calibre 2035, ladie’s Perpetual.
 
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I'm sure, the movement is Swiss made. But there are no records about it anywhere. I do have a lot of old identification books as well, but nothing looks similar to the movement shown.

I have compared some Omega movement with mine. The overall setup looks very similar to the Omega 1000 Series (e.g. date quick set star, automatic gears integrated in the movement, fixation of the rotor, 4 spoke balance, two dowel pins for the balance cock). Maybe Omega tried to make a 10.5''' version of the Omega 1000?
 
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Russian?
That is not a bad guess for as we all know that there is a Czech (USSR) copy of a humming Bulova movement from the 1960/70s and even a Chinese one of that time.

Maybe some pictures of the casing could help?
 
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Russian?

The Russian automatics I own, are very rough in terms of surface quality. The one in this thread is a fine made movement. Furthermore I don't know a Russian movement with integrated automatic drivetrain. Do you have a particular movement in mind?
 
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That is not a bad guess for as we all know that there is a Czech (USSR) copy of a humming Bulova movement from the 1960/70s and even a Chinese one of that time.

Maybe some pictures of the casing could help?

I have completed the watch:



The winding stem seems to be custom made and blued:

 
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I say "Russian" because I have come across some similar movements. Thin automatics without a sweep second hand. No markings anywhere.
 
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I say "Russian" because I have come across some similar movements. Thin automatics without a sweep second hand. No markings anywhere.

Can you please give an example?
 
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I don't care if it's an Omega or not, I just want to know who made the movement.
I thought this was a theoretical exercise to see who may have made the movement but it seems that you aren't interested in whether it's an Omega movement, or not.

I could be wrong but, what you seem to have done is created a fake Omega Constellation. I'm happy to be corrected but, that's how it looks.

Chris
 
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I thought this was a theoretical exercise to see who may have made the movement but it seems that you aren't interested in whether it's an Omega movement, or not.

I could be wrong but, what you seem to have done is created a fake Omega Constellation. I'm happy to be corrected but, that's how it looks.

Chris

The way I read the posts, @JackDaniels83 has purchased the watch as it is and references a second watch (also a non-chronometer Constellation) from an old auction with the same setup. I don't see anything malevolent 😀
 
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I thought this was a theoretical exercise to see who may have made the movement but it seems that you aren't interested in whether it's an Omega movement, or not.

I could be wrong but, what you seem to have done is created a fake Omega Constellation. I'm happy to be corrected but, that's how it looks.

Chris

I have not "created" anything. Name the maker and the caliber and I'm happy. I'm just a collector of automatic watches. And this is a movement no one has seen before. I don't care if it's a "fake" or not. I'm interested in the movement only.
 
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I agree @ConElPueblo , there was nothing malevolent here. But, once you put that movement in an Omega case, then it seems to be the very definition of fake. The other watch appeared to be dial and movement only so, it wasn't a complete watch.

I don't care if it's a "fake" or not. I'm interested in the movement only.
What's the reference in the case back? That will tell you what calibre should be in there, if it were a real Omega.

I realize you don't care that it's a fake but others may, including the guys who run the forum and specifically will not allow discussions of fakes watches.

Enjoy your watches.

Chris
 
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I agree @ConElPueblo , there was nothing malevolent here. But, once you put that movement in an Omega case, then it seems to be the very definition of fake. The other watch appeared to be dial and movement only so, it wasn't a complete watch.


What's the reference in the case back? That will tell you what calibre should be in there, if it were a real Omega.

I realize you don't care that it's a fake but others may, including the guys who run the forum and specifically will not allow discussions of fakes watches.

Enjoy your watches.

Chris

There are NO markings in the case, NO markings on the movement and no logo in the acrylic crystal. The only parts carrying the Omega logo, or any markings at all, are crown and dial. By the way. It has no case back. The crystal has to be removed to get the movement out of the case.
 
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I think the main point here is that no-one is intending foul play. To me, the most plausible answer is that it is some kind of Omega prototype rather than a put-together.

The case looks like the ones used on the ultra-thin Constellations of the seventies, but apparently lacking any markings.

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Had it been a Franken, those markings would have been present. Had it been a fake, I seriously doubt that
a) a rather high-end, unknown movement would have been chosen.
b) the dial would have been this good.
c) it would have been this particular case shape. It has to one of the least collectible Constellations out there.

Let us not forget that this was a time where Omega tried out a lot of new stuff with varying success. IMO, the existense of another one with the same dial type speaks volumes.
 
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I think the main point here is that no-one is intending foul play. To me, the most plausible answer is that it is some kind of Omega prototype rather than a put-together.

The case looks like the ones used on the ultra-thin Constellations of the seventies, but apparently lacking any markings.

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Had it been a Franken, those markings would have been present. Had it been a fake, I seriously doubt that
a) a rather high-end, unknown movement would have been chosen.
b) the dial would have been this good.
c) it would have been this particular case shape. It has to one of the least collectible Constellations out there.

Let us not forget that this was a time where Omega tried out a lot of new stuff with varying success. IMO, the existense of another one with the same dial type speaks volumes.

Thank you very much for your post. This watch looks very similar to mine. The post you put a link in, states, that the shown watch is only 7.2mm thick. Mine is 6.6mm and includes a date function. I think this is the right direction.
 
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So, no markings in the case nor crystal. The movement is really not a high end movement, not with that finish and the cheapest balance wheel available. The dial is not marked "OM" but is solid gold? I don't see how you have determined that the dial is gold.

If you see prototype, then fair enough.

I see a generic case, cheap movement with an Omega dial, hands and crown.

We all have our own opinions and I won't convince anyone in the same way that you are not convincing me. I'm happy to disagree.

Enjoy, Chris