Watchmakers - Dial Restoration

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The lettering saying the brand name appears to be raised, printed heavily on the surface of the dial. After that was printed on, the dial would have been lacquered, as lacquer is usually the top coat. Depending on the lacquer used, it can sometimes – not always – cleaned off. But once you get to the lettering you have a problem, ditto the minute track. So you have to leave the lacquer in place in those areas and this can look a bit rubbish. The printing ink and lacquer are different materials and you'd be very lucky to remove one without damaging the other. Not sure what "solvent" you are imagining. Commonly, people refer to acidic solvents such as citric acid and this would be in solution with water. Some dial printing inks are water soluble, some not.

The indices are not part of the conversation.
I'm not "imagining" any sort of "solvent." This is a process that exists and has been used before on gold dials with printing underneath the lacquer. You can read about an example of this process being used on Desmond's blog.
http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/2007/12/pie-pan-story-with-fairytale-ending.html
There are a number of threads on this on OF as well.

Also, the Centenary models have the lacquer on top of the printing. My Centenary has the lacquer on top as well. This is a fact, not a possibility.

This is not necessarily going to be an easy task – I know that. But immediately writing off the dial as a total reprint is an obvious option that I was already aware of. When I asked for advice, I wanted to know if anyone had any recommendations or personal experience with a dial restorer using this process. I don't need you to tell me that the only possible option I have is to completely trash the dial. Worst case scenario, the more painstaking restoration process doesn't pan out, and I'll have to get a total reprint anyways. However, I would like to use a service that forum members have experience with instead of just going in blind.
 
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"This is a fact, not a possibility" – please note that I said usually and took care to make that word in bold. The word "solvent" was your coining, not mine.

Good luck with it, look forward to seeing the results.
 
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The better solution is to get the lighting right in the first place. A polarising filter will have some effect; in this case, it will probably reduce the highlight on the curve of the glass. But a PL filter will only work at oblique angles (ie not straight on), which is the reason I suggest that adjusting the lighting is – generally speaking – the better primary route.

High end watch photography is often done with the glass off and/or shot as a two part composite.

I like to take pictures outdoors with natural light, I am not sure what type of equipment would I need to adjust the lightning. I am guessing I will need a small crew to help me with the photos. I am going to give it a try to the PL filter and the composite trick and see how it goes. Thank you!
 
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Thanks for the polarizing filter tip! Had no clue about it
BTW, you probably already know this, but one rotates a polarizing filter in its mount to minimize light reflections. Look though the viewfinder while rotating the filter.
Can do wonders with blue skies and haze too.
 
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BTW, you probably already know this, but one rotates a polarizing filter in its mount to minimize light reflections. Look though the viewfinder while rotating the filter.
Can do wonders with blue skies and haze too.

I had no clue about it. I have little to zero knowledge about photography. All my photos I take are with my phone (iPhone 11 Pro). I just ordered a CPL for it. Will take some photos and maybe open a thread about it on another sub-forum.
 
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I had no clue about it. I have little to zero knowledge about photography. All my photos I take are with my phone (iPhone 11 Pro). I just ordered a CPL for it. Will take some photos and maybe open a thread about it on another sub-forum.

BTW, Everybody Digs Bill Evans...! 😁
 
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BTW, Everybody Digs Bill Evans...! 😁

Test of the week.....

o Bill who?

o Isn't he the guy who worked with Miles Davis?

o Oh yeah, piano I think

o Heard him on Geoffrey Smith's Jazz radio programme once

o Have a Bill Evans album

o Have several Bill Evans albums

o Have every Bill Evans album and the bootlegs!


I am on number six
 
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I will say the intention of the watchmaker is to make those real weak! A 1968 watch can not shine as new, it does not look right. I would not want my vintage watch to shine in the dark as a brand new watch.

The look of the lume on the hands with the crack is really good! Only a true artist can do something like that!
Yes, you're right. Weak is good!
And yes, the crackling is really realistic...

Roberto is a pro! You can send him your dial without any fear!
 
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I will try to make macro with a PL...

Sounds good. Do you have photos of how it looked before sending it to Roberto?
 
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Any news on this guys suggested here for redials?
Which on is the best and cheapest ??
 
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Interesting reading!
I’m looking for redialing some classic pie-pan dials. But so far, I have not found good examples of before/after pics from any of the mentioned “redialers”
Any good ideas?
 
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Interesting reading!
I’m looking for redialing some classic pie-pan dials. But so far, I have not found good examples of before/after pics from any of the mentioned “redialers”
Any good ideas?

Hi Romega!

I would not recommend any of them to do work on Pie Pans; 9 out of 10 times they will damage the Pie Pan shape! Is such a hard job to do!
That being said all of the above mentioned seem to have very good reviews. I also looked for before/after photos but only found a few (shared in the 1st page of this thread.)

I can recommend:

C&F Dial Restoration
"Roberto Facchini"
email: info@watchdialrestoration.co.uk
WhatsApp: +44 780-581-9434

I sent him a couple of old 'beyond help' Dials and he did a pretty good job with them!

Unfortunately I forgot to take pictures before I send them so I can not upload before/after photos. Sorry about that.
 
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Hi Romega!

I would not recommend any of them to do work on Pie Pans; 9 out of 10 times they will damage the Pie Pan shape! Is such a hard job to do!
That being said all of the above mentioned seem to have very good reviews. I also looked for before/after photos but only found a few (shared in the 1st page of this thread.)

I can recommend:

C&F Dial Restoration
"Roberto Facchini"
email: info@watchdialrestoration.co.uk
WhatsApp: +44 780-581-9434

I sent him a couple of old 'beyond help' Dials and he did a pretty good job with them!

Unfortunately I forgot to take pictures before I send them so I can not upload before/after photos. Sorry about that.
Please upload the after photos. I think it will help a lot anyway...
 
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I'm sorry , but it's not what I would expect for a redial.
You can see here that white paint is partially covering index and black is blurry.

Personally, I would expect something better for a redial.
Hear, hear
 
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Care to elaborate?
Well, it concerned a post above, however, the reply function seemingly did not work very well. In short, it was in agreement with the aforementioned point about painting over markers.