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Vintage Constellations. Show and tell
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SwissMe
·I was just taking a closer look at the dome dial - I’d love to see a hi-res pic of it as it too is a bit of an oddity.
the shaping and arrangement of the font is very good - just it looks serif-less.
However, the finish of the dial is quite rough and most peculiar of all is that it has a modern Omega symbol and slim Omega applied lettering.
Better pics. If it is not anough let me know, I'll try then better with my cam
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felsby
··I don't see any option in settings or profilePurchased this one from another member here. I found a period appropriate strap and buckle. Just need to decide what to do about the crown. Some have said early 2852s can be found with seamster crowns. Others have said "replace it". Omega was no help
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Peemacgee
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thanks for this.
I've copied a close up of my dome dial dogleg fonts so that you can see what both of your watches should look like (pics courtesy of watch guy.co.uk)
first mine -note the clear serifs on the lettering:
now your dome dial upper text -note the more modern Omega symbol and lack of serifs:
next your pie-pan upper text -note no serifs and slightly odd Omega lettering
pie pan lower text -note the sloping cross bar to the first T and the shape of the Ns, which are the wrong shape and should differ from one another:
I hope this helps to explain the differences.
however, it doesn't stop you enjoying wearing both watches as they're still a good looking pair.
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SwissMe
·Thank you so much for your expertise. These are details I wasn't looking for, I didn't know them.
As I wrote, these two Connies are keeper
Thank you!
As I wrote, these two Connies are keeper
Thank you!
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Edward53
·There is no official Ω pictures of Constellations with Seamaster "clover" crowns. The clover crowns have probably been more abundant and cheaper to use if the original decagonal crown was lost. However, the original shallow decagonal crowns are now unavailable, so you will still end up with a slightly different appearance compared to the original, as the replacement decagonals are taller.
I am sure I remember seeing some in contemporary adverts which have been posted on this forum.
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·That's a very interesting article. But he's a bit more cautious than that; he says that decagonals were supposed to be the standard but that "the use of the so-called Seamaster crown and other crowns on occasions was a deviation from the standard design specifications of the Omega Constellation" and that they "may or may not have been fitted to the advertised watches when they left the factory".So the question remains open.
In view of the several Constellations posted over the years on here with early Seamaster crowns and in otherwise perfect condition, it's my opinion (and it's just an opinion) that some were made that way. I think it's even more likely with the 143** series and the later Seamaster crown. There are just too many of them in seemingly original and unserviced condition for all those crowns to be replacements.
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felsby
··I don't see any option in settings or profile...In view of the several Constellations posted over the years on here with early Seamaster crowns and in otherwise perfect condition, it's my opinion (and it's just an opinion) that some were made that way...[..]...There are just too many of them in seemingly original and unserviced condition for all those crowns to be replacements.
Sounds very reasonable to me. My favorite 2852 was bought with a clover crown!
Is there any way we can get more info about this question? The Ω staff working in Bienne in 1960 will soon all have left us.
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kmacrae001
·There is no official Ω pictures of Constellations with Seamaster "clover" crowns. The clover crowns have probably been more abundant and cheaper to use if the original decagonal crown was lost. However, the original shallow decagonal crowns are now unavailable, so you will still end up with a slightly different appearance compared to the original, as the replacement decagonals are taller.
So... you would leave it be?
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felsby
··I don't see any option in settings or profileSo... you would leave it be?
I changed my clover crown to a shallow decagonal. I am not particularly fond of the modern tall replacement decagonals, so in lack of a shallow type I would have kept the clover crown.
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lindo
·One of my favourite 14381s came with the full set and in virtually show room condition, fitted with the clover crown. I would not replace it with a shallow decagonal (even if I could find one) without more persuasive evidence than seems so far available proving it was wrong.
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kmacrae001
·I changed my clover crown to a shallow decagonal. I am not particularly fond of the modern tall replacement decagonals, so in lack of a shallow type I would have kept the clover crown.
This is great leaning for me. Thanks felsby! Is the shallow/tall difference the rounded vs flatter shape on the top of the crown? Does anyone have photos of both styles?
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Concer
·My 14381 61sc
Sometimes it is a keeper for me and sometimes I have already included the value of it in the purchase of another watch
Sometimes it is a keeper for me and sometimes I have already included the value of it in the purchase of another watch
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Found this on ebay, item no 391601137835, looks like mine. Also a redial? From the facts I learned from you - yes.
Look at the omega Logo. So I am not alone 😉
Edit: or this one - no 153265274898
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Jordan m
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Found this on ebay, item no 391601137835, looks like mine. Also a redial? From the facts I learned from you - yes.
Look at the omega Logo. So I am not alone 😉
Edit: or this one - no 153265274898
Found this on ebay, item no 391601137835, looks like mine. Also a redial? From the facts I learned from you - yes.
Look at the omega Logo. So I am not alone 😉
Edit: or this one - no 153265274898
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