I was assuming definite redial on the first one. Not sure on the black one, would have to research.

 

I was watching this one closely and took the plunge. A deal was a done with the seller at a much more realistic price level.
Fingers crossed that the fuzzy photographs lead to some upside surprise in the metal.


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I had no choice really as I am slowly building a modest collection of Climate Proof and Colonials and they come up so rarely for sale.

I can totally understand these concerns about the hands, gentlemen;

However, I have seen this unusual handset paired with similar Climate Proof dials before. There is a fighting chance they are correct, I think;


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Having said all of that, I think there have been shenanigans with the lume on the hour and minute hands, possibly a long time ago.

In addition, the crown stem is very wobbly, the case is a bit weathered in places and the movement might look like a horrorshow under there. It is currently with my watchmaker for at least two months. If you see it pop up again here you’ll know that the gamble paid off. If not, lets never speak of this watch again

 

congrats on building your climate proof empire. I didn't weigh in on the hands because I've definitely seen them before, but not studied enough to form an educated opinion, so I figured better not to cast a vote

 

I stand corrected

 

Delighted to be proven wrong.

 

Not at Ebay but at AQ: a strange 22213 with - I assume - a redial sold today for EUR 12.000 excl 35% fee. Serial: 753553. Very strong price IMHO. Link: https://catalog.antiquorum.swiss/en...-compax-lot-335-255?page=1&q=universal+geneve

 

dial looks legit to me!

 

No swiss?

 

It looks like a re-made Tri-compax dial no? Look at the concentric lines in the top sub-dial with the XII- not sure why they'd have made that indent. Maybe they got cheap and tried to re-purpose excess dials?

 

Another vote for some kind of redial here.

The Roman hour numerals on the dial look imperfect to me. You can almost sense the pencil tracing lines above and below the markers.

The track inside the rolling seconds subdial at 9 o’clock is too far away from the boundary of that subdial to my eyes. Lots of other things look off. No ‘Swiss’ at six as noted by others.

Even if I’m wrong (likely) and all is well (possible) and correct (at a push) it’s still not one that sings to me.

 

other dodicione have the upper subdial indent. I haven't studied them, or the above example, enough to form an opinion.

 

Do UG normally use IV for the numeral 4. It is the first time I have seen it, normally IIII is used.

 

IV is seen on other dodicione’s

indent at 12 yes, but with circular graining underneath?

 

Looking at the two dodicione dials in Sala (bw plates, page 293) I would say:
- indent is ok
- IV is ok
- no Swiss is ok (for serial around 750000 it’s normal)
To my eye the only thing visibly different from those two examples is the position of XII within the “fourth subdial”. It’s kind of too low near the center of the entire dial.
Generally it looks fine to me.
(Btw the two examples from Sala are obviously bigger than the small ref 22213 which may also explain differences in layout)

 

My Sala was not accessible but I'm back on the fence now. The placement of the XII and the (lack of) sharpness of the numbers is what still bothers me

 

Anyone ever seen this double inscription? I.e. the 50303 below the 22530
Link: https://www.chrono24.nl/universalge...compax-22530---fully-serviced--id18215274.htm

 

The watch was at tajan paris twice before, it is within serial range of the few other datos known on here.

I think the dial is a later service dial, aside from the fonts and the placement of the text, the outer scale usually appears to be a tachy in stead of just seconds

second time: https://auction.tajan.com/fr/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=2045 96 &refno= 548429&saletype=
first time: https://auction.tajan.com/fr/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=2024 46 &refno= 548429&saletype=

as to the second number: some retailer inventory number engraved later?

 

Thanks. Interesting reference! More info: https://omegaforums.net/threads/universal-geneve-oversized-dato-compax.90371/

Interesting that the 877.xxx serials don't seem to have numbered movements while the 1.174.xxx do have.
Edit: this one may have one: https://www.catawiki.be/l/11246473-universal-geneve-dato-compax-chronograph-men-s-watch-1944

https://mentawatches.com/product/universal-geneve-dato-compax/

 

That Dato is clearly redialed, imho.

And I still believe that, that dodicione has an original dial. Definitely a strong price for it, to be honest.

 

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