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  1. Severin

    Severin Sep 29, 2016

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    Thanks for posting this - it presents a fun combination of obviousness and ambiguity that keeps us on our toes and is sure to stir some debate. In that spirit, here are some points for consideration/to get the discussion rolling:

    - While not identified by the seller, I imagine this will be a 138 movement, based on the caseback logo and 19mm lug.

    - The chapter ring is a little different, but i believe it is a real Polerouter chapter ring. One obsessive way to tell is to count the ridges: ridges between 12 and 1 or 11 and 12 will total 28, ridges between any other numbers will total 32. I beleive this is true for any chapter ring hour marker width, but have not tested this theory too much (just a little). By my count, despite the fuzzy photos, this chapter ring passes that visual test (not to mention that it actually looks real). The misalignment is not a deal breaker for me: the chapter ring just needs to be turned counterclockwise a little bit (it is not glued to the dial).

    - Here is where the weirdness begins for me: the fonts look good, but the execution looks a little rough/overprinted/too thick, as if someone traced the original type to make it look darker/more pronounced. Same goes for the minute markers, particularly at the fives. In other words, looks to me to be touched-up rather than redone entirely.

    - Not sure about the crown: looks to be the right shape, but is unsigned. I know some of the early ones were unsigned, but I don;t know enough about them to opine one way or another.

    - Whatever you think about the above, the overall tarnish and over-polish would keep me away, even if everything else met my criteria for acceptability. The asking price is high enough that I would expect more in terms of condition.

    What does everyone else think?
     
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  2. Boudica

    Boudica Sep 29, 2016

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    Thank you for taking the time, that's a great reply, exactly the kind of information i was looking for.
    It basically the same conclusion i had come too, though it's reassuring to have it confirmed by someone more knowledgeable than me.
    The information about the chapter ring and 28/ 32 ridges is new information to me, so thanks for that.
    I knew the Polarouter had a different one with narrower hour markers (which i notice the dodgy tropical dial one currently on ebay doesn't have)...
    It was that coloured chapter ring that grab me initially on this one. I'm just scrapping around looking for something interesting to buy, I've recently missed out on a few gold deluxe models that i really wanted and then got outbid/ sniped on a broad arrow last night that i thought had my name on it. I need to regain my patience and composure before i do something stupid...
    I spotted this earlier, lovely all silver bumper but unfortunately someones got a bit over zealous cleaning the dial and rubbed off the Automatic, though its still lightly visible.
    Any thoughts on this and what a dial finisher/ restorer could do with it? and the cost involved, not to mention finding someone with the appropriate skills not to make a complete hash of it...
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262642438983?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

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  3. Drawarms

    Drawarms Sep 29, 2016

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  4. Diabolik

    Diabolik Sep 30, 2016

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  5. aap

    aap Sep 30, 2016

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    Edited Sep 30, 2016
  6. Diabolik

    Diabolik Sep 30, 2016

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    How sad .. !

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  7. ELV web

    ELV web Sep 30, 2016

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  8. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Sep 30, 2016

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    Amazing! How did he teach the bird to crap so close to the 5-minute marks?
     
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  9. rosspo

    rosspo Oct 1, 2016

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    Any thoughts on this Compax:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-G...5-/262626239655?ssPageName=ADME:L:PMR:US:1123

    I am trying to learn a bit more before doing anything crazy. From what I have learned on this forum, it has the wrong caseback, a replacement hand on the 3 o'clock subdial, engravings in the movement, and signs of a redial (misaligned UG logo, tachometer overlapping with subdials). Can someone teach me more?
     
  10. gop76

    gop76 Oct 2, 2016

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    Why do you say it has the wrong caseback?
     
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  11. Diabolik

    Diabolik Oct 2, 2016

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    dial looks good to me ... actually looks like a stunner. change the yellowed crystal and you would be on to a winner with this nice early compax which sold at a bargain price. Gold plate cases where often sold with steel backs as were chrome cases ...

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  12. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Oct 2, 2016

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    Movement engravings were made in the US to comply with import regulations. They are found across a number of brands and movements, and frequently dismissed as inauthentic. They are genuine, in the same way as Fab. Suisse dials are in French-imported watches and that goofy lug punch is in Portuguese.
     
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  13. rosspo

    rosspo Oct 2, 2016

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    Thanks everyone, and awesome lesson on import regulations, LouS. Very interesting.
     
  14. Diabolik

    Diabolik Oct 6, 2016

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    Let's take a look at this one ...

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    Thoughts ?
     
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  15. HeuerLoon

    HeuerLoon Oct 6, 2016

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    Its all good save the internal tachy ring
     
  16. CajunTiger

    CajunTiger Cajuns and Gators can't read newspapers! Oct 6, 2016

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    All the lume dots are missing on the dial and it has a home made tachy ring. Hard to tell from the images, but I would also question the lume inside the hands. Otherwise its a very rare piece...shame it has so many issues.
     
  17. HeuerLoon

    HeuerLoon Oct 6, 2016

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  18. Diabolik

    Diabolik Oct 6, 2016

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    I tend to agree. The biggest issue IMHO is the replacement tachy ring. I could cope with missing lume and reference / serial ...

    This one owned by a member has to be the standard ...

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    How you lose an internal tachy ring on one of those ...?? :thumbsdown:
     
  19. CajunTiger

    CajunTiger Cajuns and Gators can't read newspapers! Oct 6, 2016

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    Well the bigger issue is finding one

    This reference is extreme hard to find...Ive only seen a handful. So parts are going to be impossible
     
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  20. HeuerLoon

    HeuerLoon Oct 6, 2016

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    [How you lose an internal tachy ring on one of those ...?? :thumbsdown:[/QUOTE]

    I suspect that the original tachy ring has been repainted as result of moisture damage or for whatever reason. It's probably the correct size.