UG compax reference 22209

[TTB]

Thanks for your input!

UG dials are indeed a dificult matter but yelling fake/re-dial/... without any explanation or proof has always bothered me a bit. I am happy to learn and love a good debate though.

 

[Diabolik]

@TTB

Difficult to say with low res images. Can you send a close up of the logo "swiss made" and complete dial. It seems very close/touching the second/minute ring and wonky (not all characters are lined up correctly) a sign that things are not what they should be. Universal Geneve did not make mistakes like that in their quality control. From the little i can see in image i can confortably state that the font used on registers is messy and looks very dubbious (compare numerals and there seems to be bleeding and inconsistencies).



The 22409 is the two register model. Differences in quality (this has been relumed) of print on dial are very clear.

Edited: Dec 7, 2015

 

[TTB]

 

[Diabolik]

I go for a complete or partial redial.

 

[TTB]

Here a GP with similar dial. Also redial then?

 

[Diabolik]

something very strange about that dial as GP were not granted the Geneva seal till much later . hi res images, reference and serial please...

 

[TTB]

Same ref as mine 22209 and serial in the same 87x range.

 

[TTB]

And another one... Also redial?

 

[Diabolik]

position of "swiss made" is not clear on last two. as stated, GP always signed "swiss made" but UG did not. you are now comparing GPs to UGs. check position of s on yours and the gp you show though. On dial1, the begining of last character in "swiss" seems to align with 30min/sec marker, on dial2, the front of last character is aligned with front of 30 sec/min marker. to many inconsistencies which added up point to a redial or a partial redial.

dial1


dial2

 

[TTB]

It's a fact that GP and UG shared, cases, movements and hands on this particular model. Couldn't it be they shared a dialmaker/printer too?

I really have a hard time believing these are re-dials if you put them side by side:

 

[Diabolik]

I don't think the top one (GP) is a fake ... and I did say part re-dial (outer ring and "Swiss made" does not look right).

see here and compare : https://omegaforums.net/threads/ug-gp-cal-281.30954/

Edited: Dec 7, 2015

 

[TTB]

Benath a claimed original one and above mine... Besides the Swiss made script, I don't see any differences. Could it be that the Swiss Made was printed together with the brand name and that's why there is a difference?

Edited: Dec 7, 2015

 

[nicolas07]

Not very easy to conclude, indeed...
Not exactly the same space between swiss made and the outer ring (S of Swiss and E our madE touching the outer ring on the first watch while it is not on the second one) but difficult to conclude on that...
Maybe as you said the whole dial was not printed in one shot but in different steps...

 

[jordn]

Original dial. The inconsistencies mentioned here and on chronocentric are all within UG specs. I would disagree very strongly, however, with the description of it being unpolished. Upper right lug has that melted ice look that we are all familiar with.

 

[TTB]

Ok, will avoid that word in future adds. Somebody posted this example on Chronotrader.

So I think it's save to say my dial is 100% original?
Funny that this example has the same type of second hand mine originally had.

 

[Diabolik]

I take it all back.my suspicions are wrong.

 

[TTB]

Thank you. I love a good debate and doing research. It keeps us all sharp. Pretty much done with this watch though, hope it will find a new home soon

 

[PatrickJ]

Northernman

No real confirmation either way, but there's a lot of misconceptions related to UG dials!

The main reason is that the reference of a UG chronograph does not relate to the dial or hands. It is related to the case and movement. Hence, you will find several different dial/ designs under the same reference number.
It is also very unfortunate that too many forum members jumps up and shouts "redial" without really having the knowledge to do so (and without telling WHY they conclude this way).

As for your watch,if it has been redialed, it have been done extremely professionally!
There is a discrepancy between the Italian Chrono24 dial and yours in the printing of "Swiss Made" and the fonts/width of the "COMPAX" text.
No conclusive evidence apart from that I am afraid.

For all but the most picky of us (and there are a few in here), I would say it is a lovely looking example (redial or not)!

 

[PatrickJ]

Oh dear! All does not end well after all, dam shame so sorry for purchaser. Vintage is wonderful when it works and terrible when it does not. I sold my average condition vintages one left to shift. I have a brand new Omega now 0 headache. Before I purchase vintage again will choose model first, do homework for a very long time, get a model realistic of finding and get a good example not spending more than £600. I can live with loosing £600 but not thousands if it all goes wrong. It takes one bad comment on the forum and it can all be over. Just like that! It has happened to me before and it is a terrible feeling. You can work so hard to get it correct forum, journey of time book, dealers, articles on forum etc etc etc etc and it can still go to the wall.

 

[PatrickJ]

TTB

Thanks for your input!

UG dials are indeed a dificult matter but yelling fake/re-dial/... without any explanation or proof has always bothered me a bit. I am happy to learn and love a good debate though.

God bless. At least you gave it a shot.