This has become a joke

Not sure this post warranted it's own thread, or what kind of replies you expect to get to this.
Seems like you could have just posted this in your other thread: https://omegaforums.net/threads/need-advice-again.174541/

If you want to have meaningful conversations like "should I buy watch A or watch B," there is always watchuseek.

My advice would be post something "meaningful" and you might get a different reaction 👍

It's unfortunate that you find so little value in the OF community. Perhaps you would fit in better over at TRF. Just be careful not to start threads like this one when you get there because you'll be banned instantly. We're quite a bit more tolerant, but then what would you expect from a bunch of uncouth Omega enthusiasts? If you're not finding "real deals" with "real watch enthusiasts" here, perhaps you should consider whether you might be the problem.

What kind of deals are you proposing? I’m a real watch enthusiast. I have a watch.

I wouldn’t say any one was harassing you, merely stressing that your desire to trade up to a sub one day sounds sincere but that trading up is often a challenge.

That challenge is increased a lot when watches that are very slow sellers on the secondary market like Grand Seiko and Blancpains are involved as the dealer you’re trading up with knows they’ll have to either hold the stock for a very long time or slash the price to unload it if they need the capital.

Personally I’m not a fan of GS despite having immense respect for their finishing and craftsmanship as their designs leave a lot to be desired in my eyes overall. Individual components like dials are amazing but the way they combine dial, case and bracelet always feels to me like less than the sum of its parts in a way as they lack cohesive design.

Blancpain on the other hand make some beautiful pieces and I would love to own a Fifty Fathoms one day, they’re amazing. I would though suggest as someone who has watched many settle for the watch they don’t quite want instead of the one they do, that stepping stone watches rarely impress like the ultimate goal.

If the GS of Blancpain is what you really want and you won’t care if the Rolex trade doesn’t happen go for it but if you really do want it to be a stepping stone I’d either wait or just get the Rolex.

I think most of the other were trying to express a similar view with varying degrees of success but none of them had any ill will from what I can see.

For me it’s the people that want to trade up to a Rolex….Buy lesser brands and don’t want to take the hit as they want to sell the watch for x amount more than they paid to be able to trade up.
Wise collectors have advised against it because we have seen it and don’t agree it’s a good idea.
Guys here aren’t the buyers of the trade up watches because we are knowledgeable.

Same as “I want a Speedmaster for x amount” (which is usually $500-$1000 below the going rate for a Speedmaster)
They don’t like it when we tell them they are swimming with the scam/dodgy part of the pool.

Trading up is a game to be played with knowledge and access to good watches at cheap prices. ie buy a $400 Vintage Seamaster worth $700 and sell it for $700…. Not a game played with Grand Seiko and Blancpain

The real deal you talk about, is buying the Grand Seiko off the punter that payed $500 more than they are selling it for….because you actually want a Grand Seiko😉

There are quite a few posts here that look to me to be 'meaningful conversation'. Hope you acknowledge them in a meaningful way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One...erclip is a,the childhood game Bigger, Better.

If this is your aim, best of luck!

Ignoring the GS/Blancpain vs Rolex argument, the idea of trading up is consistent with collecting.

My earliest collections were marbles, corgi cars and comic books. I didn't do baseball cards but they were similar. We were always looking for a marble we didn't have or a missing comic number, trading two or three for the one you wanted.

The concept isn't that strange to me. Perhaps some folks took you too literally, or your question about going from a GS to Rolex was too broad. There are many, many different paths for getting from GS to Rolex, but probably few that involve one trade.

You also phrased your question as trading from GS/Blancpain to Rolex as going from a lesser brand to a better brand. That is arguable, which is how many people responded. I would agree with people who say you're not necessarily going up. So your question has several layers in it, with the concept of trading, as well as comparisons to brands, not to mention insulting the audience to whom you addressed the question. You got the responses to the question you asked. If your responses didn't meet your goal, rather than attack the respondents, you would have had better results by rephrasing your question and perhaps shaping the narrative by continual interaction. Instead, you read like a petulant child.

Going back to your question about trading, it can part of the fun, can give a collector a goal and direction, but takes time and can be incremental.

Your goal of getting a sub for your dad is commendable. Given the current watch economy, you might be better off buying a sub directly because they have dropped and some nice vintage pieces are available. But trading and selling less expensive watches to try to turn them into one more expensive watch is not straight forward or easily done. It's easier if you don't burden yourself with thinking you have to come out ahead financially on every watch you sell or trade. That's unlikely, and then you're acting like a dealer that you disparage. Consolidating several watches into one more expensive watch that you give to your dad is a fantastic way to focus your collecting watches and probably one of the most rewarding experiences you could have. As for how to go from GS/Blancpain to a Rolex Sub, that's impossible for me to say, as there are too many possibilities.

Best of luck.

Trading up from one particular watch to another particular watch is virtually impossible, TBH. I assume that the OP really meant that he would sell a watch and buy another with added funds.

Your post might be better received on Blancpain forums, or perhaps Grand Seiko Forums, or if you must The Rolex Forum. I’m not sure why you think you should be well received here where your particular plan bears no relation to any of our interests and makes very little sense. Jog on chap.

After these "meaningful conversations" above, from nice OF members, 'm looking forward to reading @Jobless feelings.

Can I shower with my Speedmaster on?