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Davidt
·To be clear, he’s had the watch since September last year, is that correct?
The Timeless Watch Channel from YouTube won’t return Bogart watch [Watches now Returned]
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savka
·How about a trade? Apology upon receipt of watch (in same condition as it was sent)...
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cvalue13
·Good response. What a class act. Instead of deflecting and blaming everyone except yourself, try manning up and admitting when you’re wrong. You owe him an apology which I am confident will not be forthcoming.
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 5:08 PM The Timeless Watch Channel <[email protected]> wrote:
I’m just explaining why I need to travel to another town to ship your watch to you. So you can avoid these fees. It’s not to accommodate me but to accommodate you!
You’re well aware I just went through a move of apartment and all my stuff was boxed up.
I have no intention of keeping your property and never did. It was just hard to find the time to make the right video about the watch.
Now I’m being harassed by some friends of yours.
Th EXACT thing you should not let happen.
I don’t respond to threats and harassment well.
What was that you were saying?
Don’t give me this high-horse bullshit here; I get I’m not in your circle and so I can do only wrong, but in this thread I’m taking the side of the OP, not the dips*it decisions to back the YouTuber in a corner
Again, unbelievable to me that in the midsts of these completely predictable responses from the sort of person basically stealing a watch that you’d continue to act like I owe Greek an apology before he owes OP an apology.
Give me a break - I’m not in your clique-circle by choice.
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TimeODanaos
·What a sad little man this Oisin is. OP, please remember, this is the Internet, its not real. In real life, Humphrey Bogart was a big deal (and so, by extension, are you). This person is nobody, but has managed to forget that because he has a "channel". Ignore the words, close the deal, reach your objective. None of the other crap is your responsibility. He needs to grow up - but don't tell him that, it's beneath you to worry about. All the best to you.
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cvalue13
·well just got a string of emails...start at the bottom and work your way up.
Op, in what country are you located?
Also, do you have any 3rd party documentary evidence of the possible value of this watch? Perhaps an insurance appraisal, or some other appraisal? And if you don’t have one, could you obtain it somehow (difficult absent watch in hand, but sometimes things can be done).
The answer to the above questions may be relevant to your range of next options.
PS to clarify: I’m not asking you to share the value here, instead only whether you have any such info.
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Caliber561
·Isn't this the same guy who made up the "sharp as a knife" controversy about the 3861 to boost his channel? I'm getting the feeling that anything this guy says isn't going to be worth much.
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gbesq
·What was that you were saying?
Don’t give me this high-horse bullshit here; I get I’m not in your circle and so I can do only wrong, but in this thread I’m taking the side of the OP, not the dips*it decisions to back the YouTuber in a corner
Again, unbelievable to me that in the midsts of these completely predictable responses from the sort of person basically stealing a watch that you’d continue to act like I owe Greek an apology before he owes OP an apology.
Give me a break - I’m not in your clique-circle by choice.
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blufinz52
··Hears dead people, not watch rotors.If your income relies on people watching your videos (your popularity) then a public pressure campaign is likely the best way to get results.
I agree with this statement, but want to add that Oisin is in an accomplished rock band...one that has opened for some very big rock bands. Obviously I don't know his financial situation, but my guess is he's probably not that dependent on his YT channel.
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collector1946
·To be clear, he’s had the watch since September last year, is that correct?
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ChrisN
·I am not sure why you sent him the watch but it seems that it has been a pain which is a shame. I assume he is charging you something for this.
Regarding the import fees (I think you're in UK). He just needs to send your watch with his full invoice value declared on the customs form and marked as "returned to owner" in some way. Usually, I would mark as "repaired and returned" and this should avoid import fees on the value of the watch and any fees payable would be based on the value of my invoice. This is completely correct for UK customs and you shouldn't be declaring random small figures on these forms.
It doesn't matter where it is sent from so, no reason to drive 50 miles to a different town. If I were you, I would just get him to send it now. You declared the value as £20 so, he could do the same I suppose but it is not right. I assume you sent with insurance? If not, you should have and he should do the same. The customs declaration is not the same as the insurance value.
I don't know where his £800 import duty (this will be virtually all VAT) comes from unless he is intending to declare a value of about £3500. As you declared £20, it is going to be hard to justify to UK customs that he hasn't added £3480 worth of value due to his work. How that amount changes when he drives 50 miles is a mystery to me.
Regardless of anything else, I would insist the watch is sent tomorrow from his local courier - whatever you have agreed, be it DHL or anyone else. Most big couriers will collect from his home and he can do everything online. His declaration should be the amount of his invoice and you will pay VAT on that plus a small extra of a few percent. At least you will have the watch back with you.
I doubt this helps but I do wish you good luck.
Cheers, Chris
Regarding the import fees (I think you're in UK). He just needs to send your watch with his full invoice value declared on the customs form and marked as "returned to owner" in some way. Usually, I would mark as "repaired and returned" and this should avoid import fees on the value of the watch and any fees payable would be based on the value of my invoice. This is completely correct for UK customs and you shouldn't be declaring random small figures on these forms.
It doesn't matter where it is sent from so, no reason to drive 50 miles to a different town. If I were you, I would just get him to send it now. You declared the value as £20 so, he could do the same I suppose but it is not right. I assume you sent with insurance? If not, you should have and he should do the same. The customs declaration is not the same as the insurance value.
I don't know where his £800 import duty (this will be virtually all VAT) comes from unless he is intending to declare a value of about £3500. As you declared £20, it is going to be hard to justify to UK customs that he hasn't added £3480 worth of value due to his work. How that amount changes when he drives 50 miles is a mystery to me.
Regardless of anything else, I would insist the watch is sent tomorrow from his local courier - whatever you have agreed, be it DHL or anyone else. Most big couriers will collect from his home and he can do everything online. His declaration should be the amount of his invoice and you will pay VAT on that plus a small extra of a few percent. At least you will have the watch back with you.
I doubt this helps but I do wish you good luck.
Cheers, Chris
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Davidt
·Yes, since first week of September 2021
Im trying to be objective here but I can’t see any reason why he couldn’t have already done his video in this time or sent you a polite email explaining the problem and seeking agreement for an extended loan with a mutually agreed end date. All this “yes man” rubbish is nonsense.
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Scooterino36
·@TheGreekPhysique to be fair, you have an excellent name for a debt collector 😁
FIRST, Let's all lighten up, we are all on the same side here. If Oisin's intentions were honest, this is a big misunderstanding.
FIRST, Let's all lighten up, we are all on the same side here. If Oisin's intentions were honest, this is a big misunderstanding.
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gbesq
·@TheGreekPhysique to be fair, you have an excellent name for a debt collector 😁
FIRST, Let's all lighten up, we are all on the same side here. If Oisin's intentions were honest, this is a big misunderstanding.
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cvalue13
·Touch a nerve there, did I? Run along and have a nice day now.
This is just the “class act” I knew to be the source of such prior hypocritical, high-horse, claptrap.
You don’t touch nerves; I just don’t suffer hack-asses like you, online or in person.
I’m on the OP’s side here. He all but begged to not post the identity of the guy for fear that someone may do something to make the situation worse, was pelted toward confidence to do it anyway, only to have the very first action taken being wildly counterproductive.
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Davidt
·Even if his intentions were honest where’s the recognition that he’s caused a significant amount of stress to the OP, followed by an apology.
Unless the OP has left out a significant amount of correspondence, the comms from TWC when he has someone’s watch in his possession is truly appalling and arrogant in the extreme.
If I sell a watch I feel compelled to email the buyer a complete bloody update on the delay and the reasons why, if it don’t manage to post within 24-48 hours.
Unless the OP has left out a significant amount of correspondence, the comms from TWC when he has someone’s watch in his possession is truly appalling and arrogant in the extreme.
If I sell a watch I feel compelled to email the buyer a complete bloody update on the delay and the reasons why, if it don’t manage to post within 24-48 hours.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAgreed. Hopefully the fact that he now knows that others in the watch collector community are aware of the situation will be sufficient to motivate him to return the watch immediately.
Yep, he can play the victim and demand all the apologies he wants, but he's likely panicked because he now knows that he's exposed. His response is not unexpected, because that's what people like this do, they try to flip the script to be the victim. You can see it in many places...sometimes even here.
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Syrte
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This should not become a free-for-all undercutting any chance of an amicable and speedy settlement.
Edit/ add- And I’m happy to be the one apologizing if that’s warranted but I certainly wasn’t advocating anyone pelting him— only that the name be made public so there’s a chance for this to evolve.
That being said i would also advocate everyone be on their best behavior and remain civil.
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bgrisso
·Yes, since first week of September 2021
im sorry to hear about the distress this has been causing you, I hope for a successful resolution, hopefully the forum can assist in some way, even just advice. Speaking from experience, I think many people tend to be far too understanding and accommodating in situations like this, past the point of reason.
I would suggest that you are aggressive in your pursuit of a resolution, but to do so in a professional way and don’t get pulled into personal/emotional distractions, either from yourself or the other party. Keep things practical, professional, and neutral. Don’t get involved in dialogue that exacerbates the disagreement but instead stay focused on what must be done going forward.
Create a clear plan, and be completely unwavering in your following the plan. If A then B, if not A then C, etc. I think the forum is trying to help you with this, as per above from Chris. Make clear expectations and deadlines, and be clear the implications of missing those deadlines, and follow through on those implications. Don’t make idle and emotional threats, but clearly identify the pressure points you can apply in this situation and pursue them. Also understand your weak spots and try to avoid them.
good luck, this should be resolvable and not cause further undue stress to yourself and your wife.
on another note, if you wish to sell the watch in the future you may wish to speak with @onthedial who was able to have an extremely successful outcome with the Ellison Speedmaster, he might have some useful advice.
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gbesq
·This is just the “class act” I knew to be the source of such prior hypocritical, high-horse, claptrap.
You don’t touch nerves; I just don’t suffer hack-asses like you, online or in person.
I’m on the OP’s side here. He all but begged to not post the identity of the guy for fear that someone may do something to make the situation worse, was pelted toward confidence to do it anyway, only to have the very first action taken being wildly counterproductive.
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