The Timeless Watch Channel from YouTube won’t return Bogart watch [Watches now Returned]

we don’t fault people who rely on auction houses for sales

or do we?

I don’t.

Very sorry to hear. Alas, not surprised.

when does the law get involved?

Mr. superstar oisin somehow perpetuates his nefarious activity of borrowing his viewer's watch and out of nowhere simply refused to return them. Well, obviously his criminal activity is using the facility or app of youtube by pretending to offer to make a review of someone's piece of art. And, eventually selling the watch. i suspect that he probably has not enough earnings yet from youtube partnership program, thus unable to pay for his mideeds. why shouldn't youtube act on this now and totally delete his account for using it to commit fraudulent practices in an international magnitude?

Ok, lot's of question's have been asked of the who, what, why, were and when's....... 99% of which are answered in the thread if one should take time to read and take in rather than "scan through" although some of these post's were written in haste but do give the gist. Most boil down to the cost/price/worth of this un-remarkable but pretty little watch with an amazing story and provenance....

Cost, Value, Worth.... are three completely different things.... Just think about them all.

Cost - Euros I paid - (private to me) but when I get a chance to think things over, and I feel it's the right time I might make this public.

Value - Huge, this depends on your view point

Worth - unkown, but as I and Oisin have always said finding a clear picture of Humphrey Bogart with this watch on his wirst is a $1m picture,(I jest) but that would be a news story.

Some say that Verita Thompson never had an affair wiith Humphrey Bogart.... Is this the watch Vera (Verita) Thompson bought and engraved "To Bogie, Love Vera" and gave Humphrey Bogart YES, this is that watch, did he hide the watch on his boat The Santana so Lauren Bacall did not find it....???? this is absolutley just the begining of many many questions of such a wonderful story that needs telling to the world and I chose/asked Oisin O'Malley to do this as I thought his (now early) work was stunning, Nice camera work and a real connection to people, emotions and feelings that money just can't buy....editing and music spot on.. and for a youtuber he (was) and will be again I hope... superb.

What most people do not realise is I worked right at the high end of Film, TV and Music production (mainly in lighting), I also Directed and Produced a little too... I edit, I colour, I'm a Director of Photography and have screen credits for all... I understand cameras, lighting, lenses, framing, colour, perception the list goes on... so I have the skill's needed to produce a half decent video or film for Youtube and so did Oisin, but my broken body let's me down... I couldn't even hold my phone steady never mind a camera, and mentally I just could not cope with the stress of it all ( anyone in the creative arts will understand). I just wanted to get this wonderful story of Hollywood's most iconic era of love, history and romance out for the world to enjoy.

This watch was in a very private collection for so many years and over looked .... no picture could be found of him wearing it (to me that's not important) and that was my joy and VALUE I saw in this little un-remarkable watch.

I saw something special in Oisin. I hope we get him back and he get's help !!...and as for a film improving the selling price for the watch, maybe it will, maybe it won't I can dream a little can't I ?

I had spent many hours, day's and weeks looking for that picture.....but it won't change my world, money would be nice, I even said if that picture ever came to light (don't forget it's a secret watch and sponsers and press photographers were always around to judge and compare, just like today) and it was there, on his wrist, I would look after Oisin, as he took this watch in to try make a film about it.

But things have changed since I had sent it, live streams were awful, he's lost his way.

I need to speak more about this as typing really wipes me out, but Oisin needs help from himself.

I'm no expert here but emotional and mental stress I have been and contined to go through due to the stroke are everwhere. I never thought these psychological things would ever effect me, but boy these are real, and so have relised that these health issues can effect anyone. I had major brian surgery, I had to learn to talk, eat, I was hemiplegic my right side was paralysed, I was having seizures, panic attacks in the hospital and the list goes on and on.... but I'm getting better everday.

I don't want sympathy as my stroke does not and will not define me... I'm lucky as many people don't come back from this or are trapped in a limbo.

My only voice was this post, this forum and now it seems the whole world is against Oisin, well I'm not, I'm very mad with him, he's made me ill or should I say the situation has made me ill, but i'm sad too, sad for this man, he lives on his own and all he has is his laptop and online life.

I'm sure that inside that head of his it just needs some TLC that might take forever, he might not think he needs it and refuse it but at least the whole world would have tried.. and thats a love story Bogie would love..

Sorry about the spelling etc.. I'm really tired. love to all Ade

EDIT I'm getting better every day, I'm nearly walking now, but most of all I'm happy.......

The law won't touch this. People get taken for thousands every minute of every day online. If you send your property to someone voluntarily, no contract/agreement, you will be left to civil court, and if you sent it to another country? Cmon.

This Oison asshat is a narcissist of the highest order...maybe a sociopath. Listening to him for 5 mins was painful and sickening. Avoiding dishonest, toxic fools like him is the only way to deal with them. Sadly, some can't see them for what they are.

And has anyone made the point that the guy who sent the watches was clearly on a mission of vanity and self-promotion? Let's call it what it is. He wanted to advance his interests by using a youtube dipshit. I'm sorry it went the way it did, but we all have to do more to safeguard ourselves and our things. Again, natural selection.

Damn, I just glanced at the tome written above by the OP. He noted that he "saw something special in Oisin and still does." Yes, that something special is not unlike what a few women saw in the likes of Ted Bundy or Charles Manson. Sociopathy. Am I the only one who is sickened to see him praise this asshat after all this nonsense? I'm sorry, but you all would have been better served watching "All My Children" instead of reading and writing here. Myself included.

He took video of himself putting the Gruen in the shipping box. It's hard to tell if the paperwork is in the box.

Starts at 13:55:

No, contrary to you, the majority here focused on what mattered, thankfully. While self-promotion isn’t illegal or immoral, not returning something you’ve borrowed despite the repeated request by the actual owner to do so sure is.

“Natural selection” is about the most cynical and unnecessary comment I could imagine here. Maybe the topic is indeed best left closed.

A voice of reason finally. Appreciate it. Will finally unfollow this drama.

I have received a tracking number via email this afternoon from Oisin for a package from Italy. The package is now in the uk, I await...and will update.

Great thread. Great thread.

It's expected, thank you