The Timeless Watch Channel from YouTube won’t return Bogart watch [Watches now Returned]

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I have received a tracking number via email this afternoon from Oisin for a package from Italy. The package is now in the uk, I await...and will update.

Really good news for you and i hope the unpacking will be a happy and satisfactory moment.
 
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Looks like your getting watch back and congratulations. He was slow in his methods, and needed a tap on his shoulder to speed up. All is well that ends well hopefully.
 
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I hope that @collector1946 gets his watch back but, I've learnt a few things from this thread:

1. Don't send your watch to some random person on the internet who you think might increase the value through some "smoke and mirrors" YouTube channel, or any other ephemeral method. As guitarists say "never let your instrument out of your sight". I am astonished that anyone would send an expensive watch out like this.

2. Don't be a complete arse if someone sends you such a watch, such as trying to keep it or delay returning it. The YouTube guy comes across as a bit of an idiot but, who expected anything different?

3. Everyone will believe the posts they see on their forum regardless of anything else so, if you are in point 2, make sure you join any forum to be able to defend yourself (anonymously, obviously)...

I hesitate to mention points I've learnt about individual members but, try to think before you post utter nonsense or post something where the issue is black/white as you (probably) don't know either of these people so can't be absolutely sure about the issue.

I hope the outcome of all this is good for everyone.

Cheers, Chris
 
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Hopefully the OP's saga will be over on Monday, or early next week, when delivery should be made. Let's hope for a complete return of the watch and all its documentation.
 
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@collector1946 and @Usman: sorry you are going through all of this; the worry and disappointment must be a bit sickening.

It is very heartening to see so much support for you on this forum, and I just wanted to add to that. Good luck in coming days.

@NicoLeonard, sorry you got burned too and that it has impacted upon your wife and you. That phone call where Oisin manufactured some manipulative, deflective anger was utterly pathetic on his part and I can see why you would share it. Hope you are made whole again through legal avenue, and avoid this guy in future.
 
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I've dipped in and out of this thread, so I apologise if someone has already made this point, but it seems to me that this is no different to lending your classic/rare car to a car magazine/film or tv production so they can drive it, do an article on it, film with it etc. Not something I would ever do (although I've had offers), but I don't judge people who do.
 
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Keeping all fingers and toes crossed the watch gets back to the OP in the UK. As it has been overseas a while (more than three months) I am interested (assuming a full value has been declared for insurance) if UK customs will question anything or try to make a charge. If they do as it is the OPs original property and there has been no financial transaction one hopes there will be a way to claim it back. Of course either way the most important thing is that the item and papework make it back here ok.
 
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Claiming anything back from UK customs is a war of attrition. I bought a watch from a Japanese seller on eBay and ended up returning it. I’ve filled in several form twice (of course you can’t do it via email/e-forms, you must print out a hard copy and physically post it over), only to have both returned for minor issues (of course they do not supply any guidance to help filling the form in the first place).

In my view they make it as difficult as possible in the hope you’ll give up and they can keep the money.
 
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I have experienced the opposite to David when working with customs.

I've received quite a few watches from overseas customers where, even though they marked the customs slip as "repair and return", I was charged to import the watch - in some cases many hundreds of pounds. This happened to under 10% of those overseas watches so they generally believed the declaration.

When I'd finished the watch, I would return it and keep copies of my outgoing declaration and the one from the customer. Filling out the form (by hand, as David says) and including copies of both declarations plus my invoice always had the money back in my account within a couple of weeks. There is a small amount that you can't claim back.

For the OP, it's slightly different if they charge him. I suppose he would need to show the watch was loaned out by completing the form and including copies of the declaration from Italy plus some proof that he has owned the watch for many years - the original purchase receipt would help. This, like in David's case may be more difficult to prove but, it should work out in the end. If you need help with the form, let me know and I will try to show the information that I presented to customs although it would not be exactly what you'd need to show.

Good luck and looking forward to hearing the watch is back on your wrist.

Cheers, Chris
 
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I can vouch for @ChrisN I've dealt with him a few times and he knows what he's talking about with customs.
 
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Does anybody else also wonder if @099722 got a tracking number for the prompt return of her smeared dignity?

No need, I keep my dignity well above the online hysteric blabbering of middle aged failures 😀
 
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Coming onto a watch forum to try and recoup your money for a rented apartment? Kind of odd. How could someone join a class action lawsuit against unpaid rent if they haven't rented him an apartment?

the guy is obviously Italian and doing his best with English

as for coming on the thread, it’s really not that different than some of the other contributions of backstories on this guy’s patterns of behavior, and unsurprising that anyone who has felt wronged by him would want to add their two cents

Not too surprising they find us, as after this past week a search for “timeless watch + Oisin” returns first his own socials on YouTube/Ch24/IG, but then in 3-6th:

 
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It might be an idea for people to contact @D.venice by PM if they are interested in getting involved with claims about the non-watch related issues with Oisin.

Maybe an alternative thread might be appropriate, if there will be a lot of questions and debates about that sort of stuff ?

After 40 pages, it would be good to keep this thread focussed on the Bogart watch and its hopefully safe return.
 
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I suggest that for posterity, the name of the thread should be changed to Don't Bogart my Bogart. 😁
 
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In totally unexpected news the dudes broke…

color me surprised.
 
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Hello guys , I introduce myself : I’m the owner of the apartment where Oisin Was stay in Venice, obviously he didn’t pay the rent for all the second year. I setting up a sort of class action against him. If your would like to join me please text me . I already have some sort of legal success.
This just keeps getting better and better. Who needs Netflix, when we have this thread. Have had lots of popcorn so far, and looks like I'll have lots more.
 
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Locking the thread for the time being until some time tomorrow.
 
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The Bogart Gruen watch and all provenance has arrived safely. Thank you all on the Omega Forum especially the mods/owners for your help, support and input, the contributers and everyone around the world that has sent messages of support including the Legal guy on the Omega Forum and others that have DM'd me. It's quite amazing when we all pull in one direction what can be done. Ade