The Timeless Watch Channel from YouTube won’t return Bogart watch [Watches now Returned]

cvalue13

Funny thing that: did he have to pay 800 euro (or anything at all) to receive the Bogey watch in the first place? No.

It’s been stated a dozen times but worth repeating: the entire narrative about avoiding cost to return the watch is imaginary, as there are no duties owed to mail a watch that is not being purchased/sold.

Nevermind that, as we’ve solved for it: OP is free to contact Oisin and offer that the law firm of Sherman & Sterling will send a bonded courier with receipt of pick-up to a location of Oisin’s maximum convenience, and thereafter be held in escrow by Shearman & Sterling until OP can arrange for its retrieval.

In a matter of a few hours of agreeing to this cost-free, risk-free, effort-free means of returning the watch, Oisin can be prove up exactly how deep a misunderstanding this all is.

OP, the choice is yours as to whether and if you would like to attempt this offered solution.

Happy to also have the Seiko’s collected.

cvalue13

Funny thing that: did he have to pay 800 euro (or anything at all) to receive the Bogey watch in the first place? No.

It’s been stated a dozen times but worth repeating: the entire narrative about avoiding cost to return the watch is imaginary, as there are no duties owed to mail a watch that is not being purchased/sold.

Nevermind that, as we’ve solved for it: OP is free to contact Oisin and offer that the law firm of Sherman & Sterling will send a bonded courier with receipt of pick-up to a location of Oisin’s maximum convenience, and thereafter be held in escrow by Shearman & Sterling until OP can arrange for its retrieval.

In a matter of a few hours of agreeing to this cost-free, risk-free, effort-free means of returning the watch, Oisin can be prove up exactly how deep a misunderstanding this all is.

OP, the choice is yours as to whether and if you would like to attempt this offered solution.

Happy to also have the Seiko’s collected.

cvalue13

Funny thing that: did he have to pay 800 euro (or anything at all) to receive the Bogey watch in the first place? No.

It’s been stated a dozen times but worth repeating: the entire narrative about avoiding cost to return the watch is imaginary, as there are no duties owed to mail a watch that is not being purchased/sold.

Modest_Proposal

The reason is more likely because the OP declared that the watch had no value to customs (by request of Oisin).

Something to consider: When organizing shipment to Venice, Oisin told the OP to declare a low value, even though he wasn't buying it. This suggests to me that he genuinely thinks that shipping a watch without a transaction incurs import fees.

I think that Oisin and OP went into a mutually beneficial arrangement:

1. OP fantasied about its value skyrocketing, with news stories picking it up outside the watch community. A nice nest egg. (This is evidenced in his latest text exchange dump).

2. Oisin would get views.

Then at some point, Oisin doubted the provenance of the watch and turned cynical, thinking the OP was using his channel to help legitimize the thing. He felt he was being exploited and turned bitter. That's bad news when you're dealing with a narcissist. (This is evidenced by his testimony, coupled with the text exchange dump)

He abhors the idea of others having power over him - of exploiting him (or his channel). And so he has a complicated, hateful relationship with those who send him watches to advertise - as if he's their bitch. This starts his power tripping behavior, which can bleed into greed and bullying and darker thoughts, like Smeagol's birthday present.

Archer

I'm not going to speak for either party here by the way, and I may have this totally wrong, but that was my impression of it. As I said my eyes kinda glaze over at this sort of thing, but even if all this is true, it doesn't justify holding 11k of someone's money.

Archer

I don’t like seeing anyone ripped off, but the watches that haven’t been returned are also my primary focus.

When it comes to arguing over details of a watch being a late 2018 or early 2019 model, or if there was some sort of arbitrage type play involved in the timing of payments, etc, my eyes glaze over a bit. Still it appears that money is owed to Nico, no matter what details about these other things are in dispute.

Modest_Proposal

Something to consider: When organizing shipment to Venice, Oisin told the OP to declare a low value, even though he wasn't buying it. This suggests to me that he genuinely thinks that shipping a watch without a sale incurs import fees.

Archer

From what I gathered during 2 hours of sometimes incoherent ramblings, is that Nico maybe didn't send the money right away, and that Oisin had counted on it being there, which in turn soured a deal he was making on a watch? He then said he thought this was intentional somehow, so that Nico could buy watches at the current market value, wait and let the prices go up before paying, and then pay when they are worth more, and make more selling them.

I think that last bit was the "dirt" he talked about in the phone call, but it's hardly any kind of smoking gun. Seems like normal grey dealer stuff to me. Of course this alleged "scheme" presupposes that prices always go up, and as we know they don't, so to me it would be sort of a foolish play to be doing on a regular basis.

I'm not going to speak for either party here by the way, and I may have this totally wrong, but that was my impression of it. As I said my eyes kinda glaze over at this sort of thing, but even if all this is true, it doesn't justify holding 11k of someone's money.

What caught my attention overall was that at times he's apparently very well off and has an amazing collection (reasoning why he wouldn't steal the Gruen and Seikos) and at other times he really needed the money and a watch he was buying was such a big deal financially (when someone didn't get him money at the exact time he thought it should be there). His financial status seems to change to suit the argument he's making in the moment, even if he's just said the opposite 5 minutes ago...

U Usman

Oisins behavior is repetitive.

Modest_Proposal

The reason is more likely because the OP declared that the watch had no value to customs (by request of Oisin).

Something to consider: When organizing shipment to Venice, Oisin told the OP to declare a low value, even though he wasn't buying it. This suggests to me that he genuinely thinks that shipping a watch without a sale incurs import fees.

I think that Oisin and OP went into a mutually beneficial arrangement:

1. OP fantasied about its value skyrocketing, with news stories picking it up outside the watch community. A nice nest egg. (This is evidenced in his latest text exchange dump).

2. Oisin would get views.

Then at some point, Oisin doubted the provenance of the watch and turned cynical, thinking the OP was using his channel to help legitimize the thing. He felt he was being exploited and turned bitter. That's bad news when you're dealing with a narcissist. (This is evidenced by his testimony, coupled with the text exchange dump)

He abhors the idea of others having power over him - of exploiting him (or his channel). And so he has a complicated, hateful relationship with those who send him watches to advertise - as if he's their bitch. This starts his power tripping behavior, which can bleed into greed and bullying and darker thoughts, like Smeagol's birthday present.

sonicosa

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