The Timeless Watch Channel from YouTube won’t return Bogart watch [Watches now Returned]

S SimpleHorologist

Usman, if you check Oisin's IG stories it looks like he's selling your modded watches? I imagine he intends to send you the money but curious as to whether you have a formal arrangement with him on this?

cvalue13

Funny thing that: did he have to pay 800 euro (or anything at all) to receive the Bogey watch in the first place? No.

It’s been stated a dozen times but worth repeating: the entire narrative about avoiding cost to return the watch is imaginary, as there are no duties owed to mail a watch that is not being purchased/sold.

Nevermind that, as we’ve solved for it: OP is free to contact Oisin and offer that the law firm of Sherman & Sterling will send a bonded courier with receipt of pick-up to a location of Oisin’s maximum convenience, and thereafter be held in escrow by Shearman & Sterling until OP can arrange for its retrieval.

In a matter of a few hours of agreeing to this cost-free, risk-free, effort-free means of returning the watch, Oisin can be prove up exactly how deep a misunderstanding this all is.

OP, the choice is yours as to whether and if you would like to attempt this offered solution.

Happy to also have the Seiko’s collected.

Tony C.

I believe this to be an incorrect reading. There was clearly some type of substantial provenance when the watch sold at auction in 2012, including a certificate of authenticity (see below). I assume that the OP took possession of that, and likely included it when he sent the watch to Oisin.

I think that Oisin was making up those doubts and using the fabrication as yet another excuse for having delayed the creation of a related video, and, in his livestream, in a cynical attempt to paint the rightful owner as somehow being a dubious character.

Tony C.

I believe this to be an incorrect reading. There was clearly some type of substantial provenance when the watch sold at auction in 2012, including a certificate of authenticity (see below). I assume that the OP took possession of that, and likely included it when he sent the watch to Oisin.

repoman

1000% no chance in hell Oison will fence stolen goods and then forward the proceeds to the rightful owner. In fact, 1000% he will take in money for these modded Seiko watches and never send them. I'm really shocked at how he continues to get the benefit of the doubt from so many people. (It must be my dark soul and general cynicism that has me thinking differently from you all 😁)

JayBe

The question is, does the certificate authenticate the watch or its provenance?

JayBe

The question is, does the certificate authenticate the watch or its provenance?

cvalue13

this is really another distraction for at least two reasons

(1) if Oisin believes it’s not legit, it says nothing of why Oisin will not return the watch as and when promised multiple times, and more importantly:

(2) we are all watch collectors, well versed in discussing in depth and adjudicating the validity of a watch’s legitimacy, and NOWHERE has Oisin claimed he was asked to only provide a fully positive “review” etc., so he could have without any real detriment to the substance of the video review simply explained the various pluses and minuses of the watch’s provenance - exactly the same points the OP recounted in his emails to Oisin that have been posted here.

in fact, what better black-and-white Bogart-themed video could there be than one with an underlying subtext regarding the finer points of the ‘mystery’ and who-dunnit behind the watch’s provenance?

the guy’s excuses are all internally inconsistent - and driven by having his back a bit against a wall.

luckily, we can provide him a completely cost, risk, and inconvenience-free way to be completely rid of this headache by returning the watch and demonstrating conclusively he has no intent to steal the watch or defraud the owner.

Archer

That is the only time I actually did this, but for years after I received countless requests for watches to review. Many had strings attached that they would keep the watches in return for the review, which is a non-starter for me.

I don't think you realize how common this practice is. You've simply come into this thread, blaming the victim while Monday morning quarterbacking, obviously with 20/20 hindsight so you know how all this worked out. I can assure you this happens many thousands of times per year, without negative incidents.