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Davidt
·Funnily enough he doesn’t seem to have any issues sending his own Rolex’s worth thousands when he has some of his own money on the line.
The Timeless Watch Channel from YouTube won’t return Bogart watch [Watches now Returned]
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Funnily enough he doesn’t seem to have any issues sending his own Rolex’s worth thousands when he has some of his own money on the line.
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SimpleHorologist
·I don’t like seeing anyone ripped off, but the watches that haven’t been returned are also my primary focus.
When it comes to arguing over details of a watch being a late 2018 or early 2019 model, or if there was some sort of arbitrage type play involved in the timing of payments, etc, my eyes glaze over a bit. Still it appears that money is owed to Nico, no matter what details about these other things are in dispute.
I have honestly tried to keep up with the Nico portion of the story, but I'm having a hard time. Can you break down what the simple issue appears to be?
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI have honestly tried to keep up with the Nico portion of the story, but I'm having a hard time. Can you break down what the simple issue appears to be?
Oisin was sent money for watches that were never fully delivered. Not all the money has been returned. From the evidence provided, it appears that 11,000 Euros are outstanding at this stage.
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collector1946
·I think the Wine shop is closer and that's the issue
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Caracal25
·Feel bad for Nico but I'm heartbroken for the OP, still can't wrap my head around how a simple situation has become so complicated.
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collector1946
·Feel bad for Nico but I'm heartbroken for the OP, still can't wrap my head around how a simple situation has become so complicated.
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Evitzee
·But Oisin uses his 'special guy' to make the shipping work, you can't expect him to use the hoi polloi at the local post office.
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SimpleHorologist
·Oisin was sent money for watches that were never fully delivered. Not all the money has been returned. From the evidence provided, it appears that 11,000 Euros are outstanding at this stage.
So what is the gist of Oisin's rebuttal, or defense? "Never intended to hold the money" and "misunderstanding"? He seemed to imply that he had some serious dirt on Nico, but doesn't seem so?
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SimpleHorologist
·Oisin was sent money for watches that were never fully delivered. Not all the money has been returned. From the evidence provided, it appears that 11,000 Euros are outstanding at this stage.
Sorry... I appreciate your response. I feel like the kid in school who read the book but is still like, "what?"
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Charlemagne1333
·I don’t really subscribe to any of these pseudo celebrity YouTube channels, so this character is new to me, but having watched the livestream, and reading some of his replies on his other videos, he comes across as a subversive, and very unpleasant individual.
The way he describes the OP, who is recovering from a stroke as unhinged, unstable, and paranoid is shocking - certainly not the behavior one would expect from a self-respecting, conscionable person.
Best wishes to the OP, and all other affected parties, and hope you receive a favourable resolution.
The way he describes the OP, who is recovering from a stroke as unhinged, unstable, and paranoid is shocking - certainly not the behavior one would expect from a self-respecting, conscionable person.
Best wishes to the OP, and all other affected parties, and hope you receive a favourable resolution.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...I don’t really subscribe to any of these pseudo celebrity YouTube channels, so this character is new to me, but having watched the livestream, and reading some of his replies on his other videos, he comes across as a subversive, and very unpleasant individual.
The way he describes the OP, who is recovering from a stroke, as unhinged, unstable, and paranoid is shocking - certainly not the behavior one would expect from a self-respecting, conscionable person.
Best wishes to the OP, and all other affected parties, and hope you receive a favourable resolution.
subversive at least respects other peoples personal property…
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collector1946
·But Oisin uses his 'special guy' to make the shipping work, you can't expect him to use the hoi polloi at the local post office.
No he "does things by the book ALWAYS" - he said this last night on a live stream
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Bill Sohne
··Bill @ ΩFHello Everyone
a Special shout out to @RC71
There is no pitchforks.. or as Mr. O Malley mentions " Gang" or hoodlums .. He need some sort of help ... no one is arguing that,.
For one reason or another Mr. O Malley is a YouTube influencer people in the hobby and outside of watches look up to him.. He has a responsibility to hold himself to a higher standard. The same as the moderators here at Omega Forums.
We know about 2 cases of watches not being returned in a timely fashion and lack luster communications. Mr O Malley confirmed this in his video and txt comments on the internet . Just a FYI I have watched approx 4 plus hours of videos on the subject of Mr. O Malley.
Nico , grey market watch dealer ... saw this thread on the forum and wanted to ad his story as well ( He was more upset about what was going on with Gruen and the modded Seikos .he said so on during the videos ) .. this just gives more data points of behavior. That is all....
The Nico Story is more convoluted big pic he is owned money BUT the The grey market dealer world is a small community ( some are sole proprietors , partners , teams ) seems to be Judge and jury and will be sorted.
The Young Lady story another datapoint ... and the back rent ... that is just a distraction.
The Big take aways from the videos
1) Mr O Malley confirmed has Modded Seikos he showed them live on the broadcast.
2) Mr. O Malley talked about the Gruen , did not show it in the live feed. He also did not mention additional paperwork to show provenance. That was sent to him with the watch. Later that night he was on another You tube Channel , moderator as Mr O Malley. " show the Gruen , Show the Gruen " ... a lot was going on but he did not show the Gruen or even acknowledge the request.
He reminds me of a guy I used to hang out with.... if he could not have it his way then he would invoke a " scorched-earth policy".
I will point out the " scorched-earth policy" points in his video.
1) Modded Seiko guy , Mr. O Malley was happy to divulge his cost of goods and retail price spread... nice guy.
2) on The Gruen and signaled out its lack of provenance , making comments about it. ( I dont know what provenance was sent to him ) but it just stuck out to me ....
3) shipping
To sums things up....
Nico issue will appear to be with the Grey Market dealer community ( they have their own legal system so to speak).
But what happens to @collector1946 "I would just like my Gruen watch returning complete with all the provenance please."
and the modded Seikos?
I dont know , as @dsio mentioned we wanted to highlight this so others dont do the same...
Good Hunting
Bill Sohne
a Special shout out to @RC71
There is no pitchforks.. or as Mr. O Malley mentions " Gang" or hoodlums .. He need some sort of help ... no one is arguing that,.
For one reason or another Mr. O Malley is a YouTube influencer people in the hobby and outside of watches look up to him.. He has a responsibility to hold himself to a higher standard. The same as the moderators here at Omega Forums.
We know about 2 cases of watches not being returned in a timely fashion and lack luster communications. Mr O Malley confirmed this in his video and txt comments on the internet . Just a FYI I have watched approx 4 plus hours of videos on the subject of Mr. O Malley.
Nico , grey market watch dealer ... saw this thread on the forum and wanted to ad his story as well ( He was more upset about what was going on with Gruen and the modded Seikos .he said so on during the videos ) .. this just gives more data points of behavior. That is all....
The Nico Story is more convoluted big pic he is owned money BUT the The grey market dealer world is a small community ( some are sole proprietors , partners , teams ) seems to be Judge and jury and will be sorted.
The Young Lady story another datapoint ... and the back rent ... that is just a distraction.
The Big take aways from the videos
1) Mr O Malley confirmed has Modded Seikos he showed them live on the broadcast.
2) Mr. O Malley talked about the Gruen , did not show it in the live feed. He also did not mention additional paperwork to show provenance. That was sent to him with the watch. Later that night he was on another You tube Channel , moderator as Mr O Malley. " show the Gruen , Show the Gruen " ... a lot was going on but he did not show the Gruen or even acknowledge the request.
He reminds me of a guy I used to hang out with.... if he could not have it his way then he would invoke a " scorched-earth policy".
I will point out the " scorched-earth policy" points in his video.
1) Modded Seiko guy , Mr. O Malley was happy to divulge his cost of goods and retail price spread... nice guy.
2) on The Gruen and signaled out its lack of provenance , making comments about it. ( I dont know what provenance was sent to him ) but it just stuck out to me ....
3) shipping
To sums things up....
Nico issue will appear to be with the Grey Market dealer community ( they have their own legal system so to speak).
But what happens to @collector1946 "I would just like my Gruen watch returning complete with all the provenance please."
and the modded Seikos?
I dont know , as @dsio mentioned we wanted to highlight this so others dont do the same...
Good Hunting
Bill Sohne
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerSo what is the gist of Oisin's rebuttal, or defense? "Never intended to hold the money" and "misunderstanding"? He seemed to imply that he had some serious dirt on Nico, but doesn't seem so?
From what I gathered during 2 hours of sometimes incoherent ramblings, is that Nico maybe didn't send the money right away, and that Oisin had counted on it being there, which in turn soured a deal he was making on a watch? He then said he thought this was intentional somehow, so that Nico could buy watches at the current market value, wait and let the prices go up before paying, and then pay when they are worth more, and make more selling them.
I think that last bit was the "dirt" he talked about in the phone call, but it's hardly any kind of smoking gun. Seems like normal grey dealer stuff to me. Of course this alleged "scheme" presupposes that prices always go up, and as we know they don't, so to me it would be sort of a foolish play to be doing on a regular basis.
I'm not going to speak for either party here by the way, and I may have this totally wrong, but that was my impression of it. As I said my eyes kinda glaze over at this sort of thing, but even if all this is true, it doesn't justify holding 11k of someone's money.
What caught my attention overall was that at times he's apparently very well off and has an amazing collection (reasoning why he wouldn't steal the Gruen and Seikos) and at other times he really needed the money and a watch he was buying was such a big deal financially (when someone didn't get him money at the exact time he thought it should be there). His financial status seems to change to suit the argument he's making in the moment, even if he's just said the opposite 5 minutes ago...
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cvalue13
·But Oisin uses his 'special guy' to make the shipping work, you can't expect him to use the hoi polloi at the local post office.
The customs thing is more of a threat from him. He’s saying he’ll return them, but the owners will need to pay customs duties that may have been avoided in the past with his help.
Funny thing that: did he have to pay 800 euro (or anything at all) to receive the Bogey watch in the first place? No.
It’s been stated a dozen times but worth repeating: the entire narrative about avoiding cost to return the watch is imaginary, as there are no duties owed to mail a watch that is not being purchased/sold.
Nevermind that, as we’ve solved for it: OP is free to contact Oisin and offer that the law firm of Sherman & Sterling will send a bonded courier with receipt of pick-up to a location of Oisin’s maximum convenience, and thereafter be held in escrow by Shearman & Sterling until OP can arrange for its retrieval.
In a matter of a few hours of agreeing to this cost-free, risk-free, effort-free means of returning the watch, Oisin can be prove up exactly how deep a misunderstanding this all is.
OP, the choice is yours as to whether and if you would like to attempt this offered solution.
Happy to also have the Seiko’s collected.
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Twocats
··Married... with childrenFunny thing that: did he have to pay 800 euro (or anything at all) to receive the Bogey watch in the first place? No.
It’s been stated a dozen times but worth repeating: the entire narrative about avoiding cost to return the watch is imaginary, as there are no duties owed to mail a watch that is not being purchased/sold.
Nevermind that, as we’ve solved for it: OP is free to contact Oisin and offer that the law firm of Sherman & Sterling will send a bonded courier with receipt of pick-up to a location of Oisin’s maximum convenience, and thereafter be held in escrow by Shearman & Sterling until OP can arrange for its retrieval.
In a matter of a few hours of agreeing to this cost-free, risk-free, effort-free means of returning the watch, Oisin can be prove up exactly how deep a misunderstanding this all is.
OP, the choice is yours as to whether and if you would like to attempt this offered solution.
Happy to also have the Seiko’s collected.
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