The Timeless Watch Channel from YouTube won’t return Bogart watch [Watches now Returned]

Locked
Posts
3,998
Likes
9,015
The YouTuber is a thief, why pander to his arrogance?

To maximize the chance of getting the desired outcome, rather than ensure the opposite.

And while I have no clue who you are, maybe aside from my earlier mentioned personal experience as well as that fact that I’m a lawyer who deals with disputes and negotiations for a living, just briefly review even the most basic webMD understanding of dealing with a narcissistic personality disorder:

Narcissists may do whatever it takes to get what they want. They generally don’t feel compassion and can’t connect intimately with others, even the people who are closest to them….

Take these steps to handle a narcissist:…

Watch your wording. Narcissists don’t take constructive criticism well. Try to make comments in careful, positive ways.


Stay calm. Try not to react if they try to pick a fight or gaslight you (making you doubt your own reality). If they lash out, think of them as a 3-year-old who feels rejected because their parent sets a bedtime.

What Not to Do With a Narcissist:

Certain things may trigger problems with a narcissist, so it’s best to avoid them.

Don’t argue or confront. It’s best not to confront a narcissist directly. As difficult as it may be to constantly tiptoe around them, it can be better to manage their need to feel in charge.

Don’t try to direct them. Narcissists like to have control and often fear losing it. Efforts to lead or instruct a narcissist will often fail.

Don’t expect them to see your point of view. Narcissists don’t like to admit when they’re wrong or that they’re unlovable, so trying to make them see things your way could backfire.

Don’t expect deep, meaningful communication. Narcissists have very little empathy, so honest, heartfelt communication often doesn’t get through and can even create an angry outburst or shutdown response.

Don’t go over past issues. Don’t try to make them see a long line of behavior dating back years -- or how they’re just like their father, for example. Instead, stay in the present when you express requests or hurt feelings.

People with narcissistic personality disorder usually don’t change, so keep that in mind
.“
 
Posts
109
Likes
126
Well, I am trying to listen to his latest vid where he's explaining himself and not very well. I chimed in and asked him to return the watch to the rightful owner. I hope this is resolved soon, I suspect that he won't be around on Youtube for much longer.
 
Posts
7
Likes
4
Lots of gossip and “solutions,” but it’s quite easy:
1) Don’t send your watches to a YouTuber or anyone, for that matter, unless it’s your best friend or you sold it and you’ve received money for it.
2) Oisin, get your sh*t together and continue making those beautiful videos.
 
Posts
2,290
Likes
4,573
What in the fresh hell is this …
I have had my doubts about this guy for a long time but it seems to me that he is just plain lazy . He owns very nice time pieces so the 4 Seiko mod watches can’t be about money? ...

You've been hoodwinked sir. This isn't at all about "laziness", that's a facade to cover his thievery. All his bellyaching about having to drive an hour each way, and use his "shipping guy" and how hard shipping is, yada yada.... is a carefully crafted narrative. Also, you like many others believe him to be of some affluence - this appearance of wealth makes it seem less likely he would be a scammer. Its abundantly clear he is broke and in debt and thus has no money at all (he admitted as much on his trainwreck livestream today), any fancy watches on his wrist are certainly fake, or not his to begin with.
 
Posts
109
Likes
126
I also reported him to Youtube as a scammer. His latest video has him making out that he's doing everyone a favour. Thankfully, I don't watch too many self-proclaimed watch YouTubers. Tim Wrong (two wrongs don't make a wright) for instance didn't even know what a 7750 was.

Archie is one video away from complete mental breakdown and all the other dudes waste my time.
You've been hoodwinked sir. This isn't at all about "laziness", that's a facade to cover his thievery. All his bellyaching about having to drive an hour each way, and use his "shipping guy" and how hard shipping is, yada yada.... is a carefully crafted narrative. Also, you like many others believe him to be of some affluence - this appearance of wealth makes it seem less likely he would be a scammer. Its abundantly clear he is broke and in debt and thus has no money at all (he admitted as much on his trainwreck livestream today), any fancy watches on his wrist are certainly fake, or not his to begin with.

What watch is he wearing in the livestream? It looks like a GP?
 
Posts
5,980
Likes
20,540
To maximize the chance of getting the desired outcome, rather than ensure the opposite.

And while I have no clue who you are, maybe aside from my earlier mentioned personal experience as well as that fact that I’m a lawyer who deals with disputes and negotiations for a living, just briefly review even the most basic webMD understanding of dealing with a narcissistic personality disorder:

Narcissists may do whatever it takes to get what they want. They generally don’t feel compassion and can’t connect intimately with others, even the people who are closest to them….

Take these steps to handle a narcissist:…

Watch your wording. Narcissists don’t take constructive criticism well. Try to make comments in careful, positive ways.


Stay calm. Try not to react if they try to pick a fight or gaslight you (making you doubt your own reality). If they lash out, think of them as a 3-year-old who feels rejected because their parent sets a bedtime.

What Not to Do With a Narcissist:

Certain things may trigger problems with a narcissist, so it’s best to avoid them.

Don’t argue or confront. It’s best not to confront a narcissist directly. As difficult as it may be to constantly tiptoe around them, it can be better to manage their need to feel in charge.

Don’t try to direct them. Narcissists like to have control and often fear losing it. Efforts to lead or instruct a narcissist will often fail.

Don’t expect them to see your point of view. Narcissists don’t like to admit when they’re wrong or that they’re unlovable, so trying to make them see things your way could backfire.

Don’t expect deep, meaningful communication. Narcissists have very little empathy, so honest, heartfelt communication often doesn’t get through and can even create an angry outburst or shutdown response.

Don’t go over past issues. Don’t try to make them see a long line of behavior dating back years -- or how they’re just like their father, for example. Instead, stay in the present when you express requests or hurt feelings.

People with narcissistic personality disorder usually don’t change, so keep that in mind
.“

Also true for hostage negotiation and parenting teenagers 😉.
 
Posts
12
Likes
22
Just listened to this guy ramble on for over two hours on YouTube, admittedly I had to skip around because I can't tolerate that much BS at one time. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he has no intention of returning your watch. He is delusional and has convinced himself that he has done nothing wrong, and that he is doing everyone a favor.

If he was as honorable and noble as he wants people to believe your watch would have been in the mail the day you asked for it back and he would have covered any import duties. Also, The 800 dollars in customs claim is nonsensical. My Seamaster from Japan via C24 cost me $80 in customs.

He spends the first 30 minutes of the video trying to tell us things about him to get us to like his character and sympathize for him. He flip flops from "poor me, I was bullied, I just want to help people, I can't tell people no" to "You think I need your watch? Have you seen what's on my wrist? Have you seen my collection?"

Unfortunately in my line of work I deal with these kind of people on a regular basis. If you haven't already you should be pursuing legal action. I don't know your local laws in the UK, but where I'm at you would clearly meet the requirements for criminal depravation of property.
 
Posts
18,058
Likes
27,374
Lots of gossip and “solutions,” but it’s quite easy:
1) Don’t send your watches to a YouTuber or anyone, for that matter, unless it’s your best friend or you sold it and you’ve received money for it.
2) Oisin, get your sh*t together and continue making those beautiful videos.
How is this in anyway the fault of the person that sent Oisin the watch? RUFKM?
 
Posts
2,008
Likes
3,386

Holy cow! Two and a half hours! Surely they’ve got better things to do in their lives than this?
 
Posts
18,058
Likes
27,374
OMG this is insane...

This guy has lost the plot, you have to hear this phone call.

 
Posts
17,479
Likes
36,624
Horology House / Chris Essery - Scam - 9 pages on ΩF

So...what happened to the Timepiece Gentleman? - 14 pages on ΩF

This shit show - 27 pages on ΩF
 
Posts
16,853
Likes
47,844
10 pages while I slept last night and several pages today whilst at work.

Been on this most of today


Anyone got Dot points from page 12 on....🍿
 
Posts
5
Likes
91
Just watched a minute of this pathetic livestream, it's ridiculous how the man pushes his voice for it to sound deep and rough when he has your regular clown voice irl. I've read a few posts about compassion up in the thread, and I do wish him to one day feel good enough about his life so that he doesn't have to spend his nights drinking and trying to prove strangers on the internet that he's man enough. But you also need to get a grasp at how nasty he is: this is a guy that can attack and send his fanboys after a 23 year old woman just because he's feeling rejected; a guy that decide what property is his and that can make such lamentable over-acted phone calls
 
Posts
17,479
Likes
36,624
10 pages while I slept last night and several pages today whilst at work.

Been on this most of today


Anyone got Dot points from page 12 on....🍿

It makes the others I mentioned look like a Sunday School Tea Party.
 
Posts
3,788
Likes
40,875
This needs to go next level... CNN breaking News, with Experts panel discussions, interactive TV storylines, interviews and analysis
 
Posts
2,026
Likes
7,158
But hang on, they're unverified claims you're talking about. There are two sides to every story and you guys have taken accounts from one side and made your minds up without hearing the other side! We have one guy, Nico claiming he's owed money and the other side, Oisin claiming Nico was behind a front man who made a deal with Oisin to buy watches and then did not follow through with paying him until 2 months or so later. We have claims of threats being made by one side countered by claims of threats being made by the other.

I agree with some comments here, it's uncomfortable to see the pitchfork mentality here.
While you may have a point in general, the story with the Gruen “Bogart” watch and the modded Seikos are open and shut cases.

These two alone, including one where guilt was readily conceded, are enough to convince me that Oisin O’Malley / #TheTimelessWatchChannel have engaged in unlawful activities…

…so what else do YOU need to be convinced?