Stolen package - recourse?

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The signature confirmation option wasn't used for this delivery. I'm told USPS won't simply « leave it the door » if there is requirement for signature confirmation. Know what to do in the future. 😉 Apparently USPS delivers many more parcels -and less mail- than in the past. They can no longer keep all the undelivered packages at the post office as before.
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I think this is just a lesson learned then...if the seller doesn't use a signature, you should be asking for it.

USPS delivered it, so they can't control if someone steals it from your doorstep.
 
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Porch pirates are more and more troublesome. Even in safe neighborhoods.
 
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Yeah I’m with @larryganz on this one, having it delivered to a UPS Store or the like, or perhaps you place of work, is the best course of action.

Short of proper insurance, signature required, etc., having it delivered to a secure locker or a place where someone is always there to sign, is the best option. IMO.
 
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I experienced similar w/a pack from Amazon..it was not an expensive watch but couple of articles w/a value slightly over $100 USD. I immediately notified Amazon and in matter of minutes, Amazon responded with "sorry, looks like you package was stolen...." and "don't worry, we will send replacements...." and the replacements were shipped overnight! Now, that's customer service!

Yes, but the seller ends up paying, not Amazon. We sell in Amazon, and it's amazing what Amazon let's buyers get away with...I have had buyers ask me direct for a refund, I process, only to learn they also called Amazon to get a refund.
 
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For the USPS, anything insured for $500 or under doesn't require a signature, you have to pay extra for it.

If it was insured for more than $500, signature confirmation is automatically included at no extra cost.

Hamilton Richmonds typically sell for at least $500 to $600 or more. How much did the seller insure the watch for?
 
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Frustrating - generally they shouldn't be leaving it on the front door in clear view, unless you give express permission
 
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Yeah I’m with @larryganz on this one, having it delivered to a UPS Store or the like, or perhaps you place of work, is the best course of action.

Short of proper insurance, signature required, etc., having it delivered to a secure locker or a place where someone is always there to sign, is the best option. IMO.

UPS store is a non-starter for me. I am car-free so the USPS post office across the street is more attractive than the UPS store across town. I like the the suggestion of having to sign for the package though. Makes sense in my case.
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For the USPS, anything insured for $500 or under doesn't require a signature, you have to pay extra for it.

If it was insured for more than $500, signature confirmation is automatically included at no extra cost.

Hamilton Richmonds typically sell for at least $500 to $600 or more. How much did the seller insure the watch for?
I paid $406 and it looked in really nice condition too. From the seller's description it may even have the original dial. Been hunting one for over a year...

 
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UPS store is a non-starter for me. I am care-free so the USPS post office across the street is more attractive than the UPS store across town. I like the the suggestion of having to sign for the package though. Makes sense in my case.
I can understand the convenience of proximity with USPS.

With the UPS store you can also have standard mail delivered there, if you choose. I don’t believe that’s the case with Post Office Boxes. Just food for though.
 
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USPS used to do this but I'm getting more packages left at the door. A change of policy?
Not sure...

Maybe it’s the amount of insured...... and trying to sell “signature require” service ..

In any case .... I used American Express for online payments. They seem to have best customer support for this type of situation.

Best regards
Bill
I think this is just a lesson learned then...if the seller doesn't use a signature, you should be asking for it.

USPS delivered it, so they can't control if someone steals it from your doorstep.
hi

Typically it’s the sellers responsibility to get the item in buyers hands ....

So if the usps failed due to the incorrect services used .... if should fall back to the seller....


Best

Bill
 
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Typically it’s the sellers responsibility to get the item in buyers hands ....

So if the usps failed due to the incorrect services used .... if should fall back to the seller....


Best

Bill

USPS didn't fail, and the seller got the package to the address it was supposed to go to.
 
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Hi Al

Again USPS did what the seller paid for.. But the USPS should know better with all the "door stoop" pirates out there.... . The seller should have gotten signature release of the package.

If I was the buyer I would be charging this back in a heartbeat... would not think twice.

As a Seller I send just about everything domestically US REGISTERED mail ... it can take 2 weeks... but its signed for and locked up... its the last of the " old School" services from the USPS. I discuss that with the buyer as well... and give options that are not as secure... and we come to a agreement.

A lot of this comes down to seller does not know the service to use... like the difference between CERTIFIED Mail and REGISTERED mail in the USPS system..... then you add in either Domestic or International .... crazy !

Good Hunting

bill
 
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If I was the buyer I would be charging this back in a heartbeat... would not think twice.

Thanks for letting me know...
 
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Thanks for letting me know...
Hi Al

That was advise for the OP .

I typically do not have that issue as I basically interrogate the seller as to how he will pack it and what service he is going to ship the item.

There was a recent news story showing the delivery person dropping off the package and scanning it in and then coming back like 15 mins later and “stealing” the package themselves .

Having a Ring doorbell or nest camera you see some really weird stuff ..... google it .

I have lost packages via FedEx , USPS, DHL , Canada Post .....

It happens ..... in al of my cases it was fault of the carrier .... packages were not scanned in to there System etc .... lost at JFK .... fedex just stolen ( one of my earliest losses it was a killer 992 railroad pocket ...) did not know trusted a friend who had a Fedex account and it was gone! So since that loss in 1992 I was “on guard” .

Good Hunting

Bill
 
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Anything I buy online I always type in th comments section.

Not to be left unattended if not delivered in person.

Do this on all watches I buy also by asking the seller to mark each box with a sharpie ( Dennis puts it on every side of the box in large print for me )
 
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That was advise for the OP .

Sure. Here's the thing - we don't know the details of what was disclosed to the buyer in terms of the shipping. I am assuming that the seller listed that the package would be sent tracked and insured, and didn't mention the signature. If so, when the OP bought the item he accepted those terms, and based on what he has said he didn't specifically ask for a signature. Trust me some people are willing to roll the dice to save what amounts to practically nothing, no matter how much you try to convince them otherwise - not saying this is the case here, but it happens.

As far as I can see with the information we have been provided, the seller fulfilled the terms that were agreed to. If the OP can show that's not the case, I'll gladly revise my view on this. This is why eBay has denied a claim, and IMO rightly so.

You say you would charge back in a heartbeat - to me that's fraud.

Cheers, Al
 
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Sure. Here's the thing - we don't know the details of what was disclosed to the buyer in terms of the shipping. I am assuming that the seller listed that the package would be sent tracked and insured, and didn't mention the signature. If so, when the OP bought the item he accepted those terms, and based on what he has said he didn't specifically ask for a signature. Trust me some people are willing to roll the dice to save what amounts to practically nothing, no matter how much you try to convince them otherwise - not saying this is the case here, but it happens.

As far as I can see with the information we have been provided, the seller fulfilled the terms that were agreed to. If the OP can show that's not the case, I'll gladly revise my view on this. This is why eBay has denied a claim, and IMO rightly so.

You say you would charge back in a heartbeat - to me that's fraud.

Cheers, Al

Hi Al

I cant FORCE my credit card company to do a charge back. You tell them what happened.. they determine if a charge back is a proper thing to do. But There is fault on the seller to get the item to the buyer not to his house or close to his house.

Bill
 
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Hi Al

I cant FORCE my credit card company to do a charge back. You tell them what happened.. they determine if a charge back is a proper thing to do. But There is fault on the seller to get the item to the buyer not to his house or close to his house.

Bill

Once again, thanks for letting me know...
 
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I'm not sure why we are talking about credit cards, since PayPal was probably used. PayPal is often linked to a bank account, and even when it is linked to a credit card, the connection is indirect enough that I'm not sure the cc company will get involved (this is just speculation on my part). But just to mention this for people who may not know. Many credit cards have "purchase protection" that could cover this. Not all cards - it depends on the card and on the bank. My main card is from Chase, and they have an excellent policy. You will probably need a police report.
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