Purchase advice on Speedmaster MarkII 145.014

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Good day all. I am in a position where I could buy this Mark II 145.014 from a reputable online seller here. He's selling it for around $1600, no box or papers. This won't be a sight unseen kind of purchase, however there is no physical shop but I could inspect the watch upon meetup. Part of the description is that the tachy bezel and the glass are both aftermarket, everything else is original.

I would appreciate some input or advice as to whether it would be a good purchase. Thanks in advance.
 
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Watch looks legit and as described by the seller.

What would bother me at a price of $1.600, is the over-polished case and the condition of the bracelet (there is at least one bent link near the end piece). Is there a photo of the inside of the clasp? There also seems to be corrosion to the gasket rim, maybe not a big thing. I guess it's only dirt in the centre of the crown?

The hands are genuine vintage (tritium), but they don't match the dial at all. I personally wouldn't like this.

Looking at the gasket, the watch hasn't been serviced for quite a while. So if you decide to buy the watch, keep in mind that it needs a service, so you might finally end up having spent more than $2k.

For $2k or maybe a bit more, I think you'll find a better one...
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Watch looks legit and as described by the seller.

What would bother me at a price of $1.600, is the over-polished case and the condition of the bracelet (there is at least one bent link near the end piece). Is there a photo of the inside of the clasp? There also seems to be corrosion to the gasket rim, maybe not a big thing. I guess it's only dirt in the centre of the crown?

The hands are genuine vintage (tritium), but they don't match the dial at all. I personally wouldn't like this.

Looking at the gasket, the watch hasn't been serviced for quite a while. So if you decide to buy the watch, keep in mind that it needs a service, so you might finally end up having spent more than $2k.

For $2k or maybe a bit more, I think you'll find a better one...

Thanks for the inputs. It was claimed as being recently serviced but I do expect to have the watch serviced if I were to make the purchase.

As for the photos, these are the only ones posted by the seller. Part of the description says the case and bracelet was slightly buffed. To be honest, I can somehow always tell if a watch was overly polished but not in this case.
 
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Where are you based? I have a nicer one than that I might move on.
 
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I can somehow always tell if a watch was overly polished but not in this case.


Here are some pictures of an unpolished example for reference:

 
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As the shots from side on are to my eyes inconclusive i can't say for certain if it has been overly polished to the point of spoiling it. I think the original brushing on the top has just faded over time. It looks to be an honest 70-71 Mark II, yeah there's a bit of stretch in the bracelet but not a deal breaker. As far as I know the 154 end links (1039 bracelet?)were indicative of some of the first ones to come out. I have a 296xxxxxx which is either side of late 69/70 (I like to think '69! 😀).The tachy bezel and glass is all in one,, and again probably not a deal breaker. I have an original scratched one and a replacement one in my part drawer I can"t bring myself to fit.
All in all I"d say 1600 whilst not an über bargain is a fairish deal. The price of service might need to be factored in.
 
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To me the case lost its character due to massive polishing. The bracelet (1159/154) is a plus but the dirty movement and the polishing is a dealbreaker for me. Also the hands and the crystal. 1600 US seams cheap but you quickly end up 2000 + for a watch which can only be totally restored, including laser welding to add more substance in my opinion.

Kind regards Max
 
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I’ve definitely seen worse asking for more. The dial and handset look great even with an over polished case.

I don’t disagree with the comments above regarding the case, but unfortunately it seems to me that the only way to keep these funky case designs factory is to leave them in the watch box. This one you can smash without much worry 👍
 
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I doubt that movement was serviced recently. I see corrosion and dirt. Case was polished with a wire brush. Wrong bracelet although it does have value for a resale.
 
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I doubt that movement was serviced recently. I see corrosion and dirt. Case was polished with a wire brush. Wrong bracelet although it does have value for a resale.

Why do you think the bracelet is wrong?
As far as I know 145.014 was delivered on 1162/173, 1159/154 or Holzer Jubilee for the South American market.

kind regards Max
 
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Pretty sure that is a vintage clasp on a modern bracelet.


My mistake. Now that I see the whole bracelet it makes more sense. I thought it was some kind of conversion of a modern Speedmaster bracelet with a vintage clasp.
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Looks legit to me, here are pics of one of my 1159/154.

king regards Max
 
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Is a 1159 bracelet which is ok for an early mark II

I would be happy to have one..
 
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A shame that case is poorly overpolished, however it is something to fix. Also as mentioned earlier the movement doesn't look like recently serviced. Greate referance to have, but I will look further for another example or negotiate the price, to cover proper service of the case and movement. Cheers.
 
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If this watch were recently serviced, why would the inside look filthy?
I doubt that movement was serviced recently. I see corrosion and dirt. Case was polished with a wire brush. Wrong bracelet although it does have value for a resale.
Apologies, again to be honest I can't tell if a watch movement was recently serviced just by having a glance at it. I do expect another expense for service on top of the $1600 if I were to make the purchase. Thanks for your opinions 👍
 
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I agree with pretty much everything that's been said here. The asking price isn't crazy, but if you're patient you can definitely find a better "honest" example for $1600. On the other hand, you probably wouldn't have much trouble getting your $1600 back on this watch if you ever tried to sell it, even with its improperly finished case.

That having been said, I'll offer this as a general comment on vintage watches (if not this one in particular): so many of the details we obsess over on these forums often become non-issues when a watch is on your wrist. I went through a similar thing recently shopping for a MKII, building up an extensive list of crucial collector-friendly requirements for my prospective purchase, only to be blindsided by a very imperfect bargain specimen I wasn't expecting. Much to my surprise, I found I really like my watch in its heavily patina'd beater condition, and I absolutely LOVE that I can wear it without fear of scratches and dings since they're already there.

So it's obviously good to know what you're buying and how it's been altered from its original condition, but there's something to be said for a piece that proudly shows its age, too. And I'll echo what others told me while I was actively shopping for a MKII--they look way better in person, warts and all. 😎
 
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I agree with pretty much everything that's been said here. The asking price isn't crazy, but if you're patient you can definitely find a better "honest" example for $1600. On the other hand, you probably wouldn't have much trouble getting your $1600 back on this watch if you ever tried to sell it, even with its improperly finished case.

That having been said, I'll offer this as a general comment on vintage watches (if not this one in particular): so many of the details we obsess over on these forums often become non-issues when a watch is on your wrist. I went through a similar thing recently shopping for a MKII, building up an extensive list of crucial collector-friendly requirements for my prospective purchase, only to be blindsided by a very imperfect bargain specimen I wasn't expecting. Much to my surprise, I found I really like my watch in its heavily patina'd beater condition, and I absolutely LOVE that I can wear it without fear of scratches and dings since they're already there.

So it's obviously good to know what you're buying and how it's been altered from its original condition, but there's something to be said for a piece that proudly shows its age, too. And I'll echo what others told me while I was actively shopping for a MKII--they look way better in person, warts and all. 😎
Thanks for your comment. I should have mentioned that I would probably wear the watch and not sell it at all if I were to get it.
 
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Here are some pictures of an unpolished example for reference:


I would say that one had almost certainly been refurbished. Look at the lugs on the middle pic, the metal is quite thin there between the top corner of the lug gap and upper slope, certainly much more so than original untouched..

It's been professionally done though and does look great. I just don't think it should be used as a reference for unpolished.