Very nice Spike!

 

Ref. 22497 Cal. 12.68N (Spacer removed for the pics...)


rgds - h.u.

 

Plenty of sweetness there

 

Just posted in WRU but deserves another post

13ZN mono pusher from 1938 enamel dial ( one tiny crack

 

I believe that this dial is from an earlier 13.33 as it is nearly identical to this example from 1913: http://www.orologiko.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=4526 and this example (also from 1913), which Longines based their commemorative Column-Wheel Single Push-Piece Chronograph 180th Anniversary model on: http://www.watchtime.com/featured/longines-180th-anniversary-collection/2/

A 13ZN with an enamel dial, incorrect subdial (and minute/hour?) hands, polished lugs/case, is suspicious. I do not intend to come across as contentious, I am simply intrigued.

It would be interesting to hear from @minutenrohr though he has already spoken about this topic in a past thread: https://omegaforums.net/threads/auctionata-13zn-enamel.20222/

Here is my lone enamel dial Longines

 

...as mentioned by Dirty Dozen: strange hands, a dubious dial (at least the Longines signature should show the modern style, not cursive. Even some 13.33 had the modern...) - not a really correct watch IMO.

rgds - h.u.

 

Mine now, but seller pic

 

I have to be a man of my word, so here's my collection, minus the '68 Ultra-Chron that has been in the shop now for a lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ng time..., but I'll throw in my last best pic of that one, too:


Here's the 50's crowd together (those on the left above):

'50 cal.22A, '50 22AS, '53 23Z, '59 19A 'spider'




The early '60's grupo, starting with the 18k RG 'Grandaddy' Date@12 Flagship :

'61 cal.341, '61 350, '63 280, '63 30L, '?? 12.68Z



mid-60's whipper-snappers:

'66 cal.342, '66 D@6 343, '66 Pulsations 342 (can you say, 'rare'?), '67 345 Flagship



Here's my '68 Ultra-Chron cal. 431, currently in extended rehab...



...and just because I know I'm not the only one here that loves a pretty 'back-side' or two :



My Longines collection has at least one glaring omission, which I hope one day to rectify, and it's been a grail of mine for quite some time, now... and it is very aptly named; or, at least it will be once I get one!

PS: I feel I must give big credit and thanks to @ulackfocus , because without his help, my collection would not even be worth bearing mention ...

 

You bastard.........

 

@dougiedude Beautiful collection! Good luck with your conquest on the glaring omission. I'm sure you will strike gold soon!

 

Ref. 23044, Cal. 10L, 33mm, 6,923914, dubious hands, polished, old.

 

Though the markers may have been re-lumed at some point, the hands look original to me. Nice watch!

 

Thank you - the lume of the hands seems to be (at night) a mixture of luminova and pigment, still glowing partly. But i´d be glad if the shape of the hands is OK.

rgds - h.u.

 

'53. 23 ZS LXW, 10k GF

 

@minutenrohr

I am curious about this dial. Firstly, the dial foot appears to be a silver color, not the usual copper color. Secondly, the "LONGINES" font looks larger/different than I would expect.

I have read that different companies (Stern, Fluckiger, Lemrich) produced dials for Longines but I am interested in your thoughts about this dial. I have found an earlier (REF. 22244) example with a similar dial to compare: http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=64907858&st=15

 

Hi - good idea.
Here´s one with coppered feet and (perhaps) smaller font:
http://oldman1268.web.fc2.com/longinesothers/longinesothers.html
My 12.68N (Ref. 23197) has silvered feet:

So I don´t know exactly, what´s the truth with my 23044. I think, the Longines-signature should be smaller.
Early redial?

rgds - h.u.

 

Yes I think so as well. Since other aspects of your 23044 have also been altered (the polished case, re-lumed dial, syringe hands that glow) I believe that an early redial is likely.

I am also interested in your REF. 23197 since I have a REF. 23163 with a close serial number. The Longines signature looks slightly different than I would expect. Also, did "sei tacche" Longines with the caliber 12.68N/10.68N usually have an outer minute track with numerals? Here is my example.

 

...nice exemplar, your 23163. The truth is: I don´t know. The watches are old, I can´t judge if someone created a redial maybe 40 years ago. Not easy to detect pics in google - for compairing a bit. Even some watches in Goldbergers book have dubious dials (by chance the examples with silvered feet...).
But there´s one important difference between "dark" dials and "silver" dials (though I don´t want to carry coals to Newcastle): The dark are printed "upside down" (italian: "elettrocolorato", german: "galvanisiert"), what means the dial was gilt or silvered first; after that the dark - grey or black - color was brought as a mask/negative on it by galvanisation. So the result is flat, not embossed and often another kind of type. I think the technique got lost; nobody I know in the german vintage scene claims to know how it was done - one of the better dial-restorers (Causemann) told me that he made much experiments, but had no satisfying results.
Finally I´d like your dial much more than mine (regarding the 23197/23163) but I´m not sure if mine is a redial, because it´s another print-style (black lacquer on silvered ground vs. upside-down print on silvered ground) and perhaps another manufacturer. I´m not lucky with my dial and a closed outer minute track would be nicer.

rgds - h.u.

 

I appreciate your honesty and I agree that it is very difficult to be certain about a dials originality (regardless of dial feet). I did not know that dark dials were produced using such a method and the terminology is very interesting to me. I am truly grateful that you have taken the time to explain such a process and to share your vast knowledge of Longines from this era. I look forward to seeing more of your collection.

 

I love that spider. There's something very clean but not clinical/sterile in the way Longines does a crosshair...