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Hijak
路Very nice Spike!馃グ
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minutenrohr
路Ref. 22497 Cal. 12.68N (Spacer removed for the pics...)
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Traveler
路Just posted in WRU but deserves another post 馃榿
13ZN mono pusher from 1938 enamel dial ( one tiny crack 馃槻
13ZN mono pusher from 1938 enamel dial ( one tiny crack 馃槻
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DirtyDozen12
路路Thanks, mystery donor!I believe that this dial is from an earlier 13.33 as it is nearly identical to this example from 1913: http://www.orologiko.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=4526 and this example (also from 1913), which Longines based their commemorative Column-Wheel Single Push-Piece Chronograph 180th Anniversary model on: http://www.watchtime.com/featured/longines-180th-anniversary-collection/2/
A 13ZN with an enamel dial, incorrect subdial (and minute/hour?) hands, polished lugs/case, is suspicious. I do not intend to come across as contentious, I am simply intrigued.
It would be interesting to hear from @minutenrohr though he has already spoken about this topic in a past thread: https://omegaforums.net/threads/auctionata-13zn-enamel.20222/
Here is my lone enamel dial Longines
A 13ZN with an enamel dial, incorrect subdial (and minute/hour?) hands, polished lugs/case, is suspicious. I do not intend to come across as contentious, I am simply intrigued.
It would be interesting to hear from @minutenrohr though he has already spoken about this topic in a past thread: https://omegaforums.net/threads/auctionata-13zn-enamel.20222/
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minutenrohr
路...as mentioned by Dirty Dozen: strange hands, a dubious dial (at least the Longines signature should show the modern style, not cursive. Even some 13.33 had the modern...) - not a really correct watch IMO.
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JohnSteed
路Mine now, but seller pic
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dougiedude
路路Carpe horologium!Wow. You two know how to collect 'em. I might have to get mine out for a 'grupo'...
I have to be a man of my word, so here's my collection, minus the '68 Ultra-Chron that has been in the shop now for a lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ng time...馃檨, but I'll throw in my last best pic of that one, too:
Here's the 50's crowd together (those on the left above):
'50 cal.22A, '50 22AS, '53 23Z, '59 19A 'spider' 馃槣
The early '60's grupo, starting with the 18k RG 'Grandaddy' Date@12 Flagship 馃グ:
'61 cal.341, '61 350, '63 280, '63 30L, '?? 12.68Z
mid-60's whipper-snappers:
'66 cal.342, '66 D@6 343, '66 Pulsations 342 (can you say, 'rare'?), '67 345 Flagship 馃榿馃榿
Here's my '68 Ultra-Chron cal. 431, currently in extended rehab...
...and just because I know I'm not the only one here that loves a pretty 'back-side' or two 馃槈:
My Longines collection has at least one glaring omission, which I hope one day to rectify, and it's been a grail of mine for quite some time, now... and it is very aptly named; or, at least it will be once I get one!
PS: I feel I must give big credit and thanks to @ulackfocus , because without his help, my collection would not even be worth bearing mention 馃憤...
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Spike
路I have to be a man of my word, so here's my collection, minus the '68 Ultra-Chron that has been in the shop now for a lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ng time...馃檨, but I'll throw in my last best pic of that one, too:
Here's the 50's crowd together (those on the left above):
'50 cal.22A, '50 22AS, '53 23Z, '59 19A 'spider' 馃槣
The early '60's grupo, starting with the 18k RG 'Grandaddy' Date@12 Flagship 馃グ:
'61 cal.341, '61 350, '63 280, '63 30L, '?? 12.68Z
mid-60's whipper-snappers:
'66 cal.342, '66 D@6 343, '66 Pulsations 342 (can you say, 'rare'?), '67 345 Flagship 馃榿馃榿
Here's my '68 Ultra-Chron cal. 431, currently in extended rehab...
...and just because I know I'm not the only one here that loves a pretty 'back-side' or two 馃槈:
My Longines collection has at least one glaring omission, which I hope one day to rectify, and it's been a grail of mine for quite some time, now... and it is very aptly named; or, at least it will be once I get one!
PS: I feel I must give big credit and thanks to @ulackfocus , because without his help, my collection would not even be worth bearing mention 馃憤...
You bastard.........
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Illiknight
路My Longines collection has at least one glaring omission, which I hope one day to rectify, and it's been a grail of mine for quite some time, now... and it is very aptly named; or, at least it will be once I get one!
@dougiedude Beautiful collection! Good luck with your conquest on the glaring omission. I'm sure you will strike gold soon! 馃槣
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minutenrohr
路Ref. 23044, Cal. 10L, 33mm, 6,923914, dubious hands, polished, old.
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Tony C.
路路惟f Jury memberThough the markers may have been re-lumed at some point, the hands look original to me. Nice watch!
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minutenrohr
路Thank you - the lume of the hands seems to be (at night) a mixture of luminova and pigment, still glowing partly. But i麓d be glad if the shape of the hands is OK.
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ICONO
路'53. 23 ZS LXW, 10k GF
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DirtyDozen12
路路Thanks, mystery donor!@minutenrohr
I am curious about this dial. Firstly, the dial foot appears to be a silver color, not the usual copper color. Secondly, the "LONGINES" font looks larger/different than I would expect.
I have read that different companies (Stern, Fluckiger, Lemrich) produced dials for Longines but I am interested in your thoughts about this dial. I have found an earlier (REF. 22244) example with a similar dial to compare: http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=64907858&st=15
I have read that different companies (Stern, Fluckiger, Lemrich) produced dials for Longines but I am interested in your thoughts about this dial. I have found an earlier (REF. 22244) example with a similar dial to compare: http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=64907858&st=15
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minutenrohr
路Hi - good idea.
Here麓s one with coppered feet and (perhaps) smaller font:
http://oldman1268.web.fc2.com/longinesothers/longinesothers.html
My 12.68N (Ref. 23197) has silvered feet:
So I don麓t know exactly, what麓s the truth with my 23044. I think, the Longines-signature should be smaller.
Early redial?
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Here麓s one with coppered feet and (perhaps) smaller font:
http://oldman1268.web.fc2.com/longinesothers/longinesothers.html
My 12.68N (Ref. 23197) has silvered feet:
So I don麓t know exactly, what麓s the truth with my 23044. I think, the Longines-signature should be smaller.
Early redial?
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DirtyDozen12
路路Thanks, mystery donor!I think, the Longines-signature should be smaller.
Early redial?
I am also interested in your REF. 23197 since I have a REF. 23163 with a close serial number. The Longines signature looks slightly different than I would expect. Also, did "sei tacche" Longines with the caliber 12.68N/10.68N usually have an outer minute track with numerals? Here is my example.
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minutenrohr
路...nice exemplar, your 23163. The truth is: I don麓t know. The watches are old, I can麓t judge if someone created a redial maybe 40 years ago. Not easy to detect pics in google - for compairing a bit. Even some watches in Goldbergers book have dubious dials (by chance the examples with silvered feet...).
But there麓s one important difference between "dark" dials and "silver" dials (though I don麓t want to carry coals to Newcastle): The dark are printed "upside down" (italian: "elettrocolorato", german: "galvanisiert"), what means the dial was gilt or silvered first; after that the dark - grey or black - color was brought as a mask/negative on it by galvanisation. So the result is flat, not embossed and often another kind of type. I think the technique got lost; nobody I know in the german vintage scene claims to know how it was done - one of the better dial-restorers (Causemann) told me that he made much experiments, but had no satisfying results.
Finally I麓d like your dial much more than mine (regarding the 23197/23163) but I麓m not sure if mine is a redial, because it麓s another print-style (black lacquer on silvered ground vs. upside-down print on silvered ground) and perhaps another manufacturer. I麓m not lucky with my dial and a closed outer minute track would be nicer.
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But there麓s one important difference between "dark" dials and "silver" dials (though I don麓t want to carry coals to Newcastle): The dark are printed "upside down" (italian: "elettrocolorato", german: "galvanisiert"), what means the dial was gilt or silvered first; after that the dark - grey or black - color was brought as a mask/negative on it by galvanisation. So the result is flat, not embossed and often another kind of type. I think the technique got lost; nobody I know in the german vintage scene claims to know how it was done - one of the better dial-restorers (Causemann) told me that he made much experiments, but had no satisfying results.
Finally I麓d like your dial much more than mine (regarding the 23197/23163) but I麓m not sure if mine is a redial, because it麓s another print-style (black lacquer on silvered ground vs. upside-down print on silvered ground) and perhaps another manufacturer. I麓m not lucky with my dial and a closed outer minute track would be nicer.
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DirtyDozen12
路路Thanks, mystery donor!I appreciate your honesty and I agree that it is very difficult to be certain about a dials originality (regardless of dial feet). I did not know that dark dials were produced using such a method and the terminology is very interesting to me. I am truly grateful that you have taken the time to explain such a process and to share your vast knowledge of Longines from this era. I look forward to seeing more of your collection.
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Severin
路'59 19A 'spider'
I love that spider. There's something very clean but not clinical/sterile in the way Longines does a crosshair...
