Please help me learn more about this watch

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It occurs to me that the hostility came after you expressed doubt in the judgement of several Omega Message Board members when they offered opinions that the watch is bogus. And it is! You came for advice because you simply do not know. Then you express doubt in the judgement of folks when they answer you. Not a great way to engender friendly responses. How do folks know it is a fake? Some who have answered your queries are collectors of vintage and antique Omegas. Some of those who have answered you have viewed countless numbers of real Omegas on this message board, and others. You can trust their judgement. The sheen and texture of the white dial in not Omega. The dial indexes are not Omega. The quality of the hands is not Omega. The printing on the dial tells YOU it is Omega, but it tells everyone who answered you that it is not. Placement and quality of the Omega logo is wrong. The case is not Omega. The over all look of the watch says “cheap watch” masquerading as something it is not. Further proof will be forthcoming when you get the back off. I’ll go out on a limb and say the mechanism is likely Russian. If you consider my reply to be snarky? Tough! We run into this frequently with some people, when they hear information they do not want to hear!
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I have no reason to doubt what you said except in regard to the point above, and I attach a photo of an original Omega add
The watch in the middle is a redial.

Only the newsprint is a genuine Omega advert. The photos of the watches are put there by an unscrupulous seller.
 
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Sorry, this is the bit where I have to say you and others were/are being unfair. He didn’t express doubt - he asked what the signs were that meant you knew. Some people have answered him, others chose to treat it as an affront to their expertise, and honestly that defensiveness wasn’t a good look or a good way to welcome someone mew.

It occurs to me that the hostility came after you expressed doubt in the judgement of several Omega Message Board members when they offered opinions that the watch is bogus. And it is! You came for advice because you simply do not know. Then you express doubt in the judgement of folks when they answer you. Not a great way to engender friendly responses. How do folks know it is a fake? Some who have answered your queries are collectors of vintage and antique Omegas. Some of those who have answered you have viewed countless numbers of real Omegas on this message board, and others. You can trust their judgement. The sheen and texture of the white dial in not Omega. The dial indexes are not Omega. The quality of the hands is not Omega. The printing on the dial tells YOU it is Omega, but it tells everyone who answered you that it is not. Placement and quality of the Omega logo is wrong. The case is not Omega. The over all look of the watch says “cheap watch” masquerading as something it is not. Further proof will be forthcoming when you get the back off. I’ll go out on a limb and say the mechanism is likely Russian. If you consider my reply to be snarky? Tough! We run into this frequently with some people, when they hear information they do not want to hear!
 
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I don’t think you’ve been met with hostility as such, just a bit of condescension. I do agree that it was a bit unnecessary (and surprising) but hopefully those answers that did give information were useful.
Hi Melanie,
As you know, most OF members (whether experienced or not) are happy to share their knowledge and enthusiasm with a new poster. Obviously it’s an international forum and English isn’t the first language of some who raise queries. Most, like you, are friendly and engaging but recently we seem to have had a few combative correspondents who seem to suggest we’re obligated to provide information on demand.
They spoil it for others and @andyals may just have hit a wrong note.
 
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I don’t think you’ve been met with hostility as such, just a bit of condescension. I do agree that it was a bit unnecessary (and surprising) but hopefully those answers that did give information were useful.
+1 to this.
Dear @andyals , first - welcome to the forum. I absolutely assure you, OF is not one of "those" places. It's not even usually somewhere that routinely hazes newbies, quite the reverse. If you stick around longer, I hope you will see that in time. By way of possible explanation - I won't bore you with the details - there's been a bit of trolling here very recently, and also a few drive-by no-please no-thanks entitled types. I think some folks were maybe getting just too much of that stuff, and you might have just walked into some warning shots, sorry.
If you re-read the thread now we're all made up, you'll see that you have been given some very full and detailed answers by some very good people. But take a look at a few fairly vanilla Omegas from 40s, 50s, 60s, and I think you'll see it doesn't take long to close the case on this one. Good luck with your future hunting!
 
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Questions like the OP's are posted on a daily basis by people who show up, demand an answer, and are never seen again. I think it was generous of @JimInOz and @Spruce to take the time to answer his question, and they have no obligation to make the effort to provide a detailed and lengthy explanation of something that is obvious to anyone with some experience. If the OP is interested in watches, he can take the time to learn. His entitled and demanding attitude is what caused the tone of the thread to deteriorate IMO.
 
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You shouldn't take any feedback too personal... First and foremost because this is internet after all.

But mainly, what people are saying is that you should first read, research on internet or better on this forum (there are sticky threads to educate novice collectors on what to look at when buying/looking for vintage Omega watches).

In essence, you are just posting a single picture asking people to validate, and educate you on the reasons, when you haven't (seemly) made the effort to first investigate yourself.

Otherwise, your question should have rather be... I found this watch, based on my researches, I believe or not it is a real one, but this and that is making me feel doubtful, highlighting your hesitations etc etc

In summary, don't feel offended if people don't want to take time to educate you, when you don't show that you have yourself taken the time to do it.

I concur with all the experts here... Fake watch

So what's the point of this forum if not to educate newcomers.
Are you suggesting that only "experts" should join.
Perhaps that should be made clear.
In summary
My watch was declared fake and some members take offence and being asked to point out the signs.
I couldn't care less if it is or it isn't because I did not buy the thing nor did I hope to make money from it.
I work in sales and if I adopted your condescending arrogant attitude towards new customers by calling them ignorant and uneducated I'd be sacked.
 
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It occurs to me that the hostility came after you expressed doubt in the judgement of several Omega Message Board members when they offered opinions that the watch is bogus. And it is! You came for advice because you simply do not know. Then you express doubt in the judgement of folks when they answer you. Not a great way to engender friendly responses. How do folks know it is a fake? Some who have answered your queries are collectors of vintage and antique Omegas. Some of those who have answered you have viewed countless numbers of real Omegas on this message board, and others. You can trust their judgement. The sheen and texture of the white dial in not Omega. The dial indexes are not Omega. The quality of the hands is not Omega. The printing on the dial tells YOU it is Omega, but it tells everyone who answered you that it is not. Placement and quality of the Omega logo is wrong. The case is not Omega. The over all look of the watch says “cheap watch” masquerading as something it is not. Further proof will be forthcoming when you get the back off. I’ll go out on a limb and say the mechanism is likely Russian. If you consider my reply to be snarky? Tough! We run into this frequently with some people, when they hear information they do not want to hear!

Could you quote the exact post in which I "expressed doubt in the judgement of several members"
I don't believe I did but if you can highlight exactly where I did I will of course apologise.
Thanks
 
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So what's the point of this forum if not to educate newcomers...
You're not getting the point or unwilling to get it.
The forum is the perfect place to get educated...

There are plenty of threads you can browse and read for days and months on a variety of subjects to make you a better watch collector.

Your attitude seems to reflect that you don't want to do that, or have no time for that or any other reasons, nonetheless you want people to take time to answers and to provide you with their detailed analysis.

To your main query, you got the answers... It is a fake, run away from it.

It is like you want to know the story of a book but don't want to read it... So, you just wait for the movie to come out so someone tells it to you.
 
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Ok @andyals you may risk losing your high ground here. I’ve spoken up in your defence, others have given full answers- time to let it go and accept that sometimes there is snark on the internet. It’s not worth being upset by it.
 
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Easy there, Andy. Like I said, you do have a point - the title you chose for the thread was I thought the right way to start out - and you are getting some backlash from some recent trolling. What you need to not do right now is to fall into that escalation pattern - unfortunately, some of the entitled drive-by posters do it as a hobby, so let's all not go there. On our side, maybe the top experts should leave commenting on the (sorry) really obvious bad stuff to us lower ranks. Anyhoo, look, we'll all laugh about this in a month's time, right?
(Edit: I may stop here, as Melanie Déesse keeps making my points, only quicker. Good luck!)
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To continue to ask for “proof” once you’ve been informed it is a fake is to express doubt in the views of others. It can be difficult to express in words what the constituent DNA components of a “mongrel” are. But to say that it simply does not resemble the genuine article. If you go through the answers you’ve been given, you can sort out all the parts you need for you to conclude that it is fake!
 
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So what's the point of this forum if not to educate newcomers.
Are you suggesting that only "experts" should join.
Perhaps that should be made clear.
In summary
My watch was declared fake and some members take offence and being asked to point out the signs.
I couldn't care less if it is or it isn't because I did not buy the thing nor did I hope to make money from it.
I work in sales and if I adopted your condescending arrogant attitude towards new customers by calling them ignorant and uneducated I'd be sacked.

Well, this may not be the best analogy. The forum's purpose is not to educate newbies (although we certainly do a lot of that), and you are not a customer.

It might be better to think of this as a community or club, where each newcomer is different, and more or less welcome depending on their attitude and demeanor.
 
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So what's the point of this forum if not to educate newcomers.
Are you suggesting that only "experts" should join.
Perhaps that should be made clear.
In summary
My watch was declared fake and some members take offence and being asked to point out the signs.
I couldn't care less if it is or it isn't because I did not buy the thing nor did I hope to make money from it.
I work in sales and if I adopted your condescending arrogant attitude towards new customers by calling them ignorant and uneducated I'd be sacked.
This forum isn’t here to educate newcomers. It’s for fellow enthusiasts to engage in their hobby, to share news about watches and, maybe, learn a bit about them.

It’s not here to help you, or posters who want answers without wanting to learn.

So, why don’t you take your watch to your nearest Omega dealer and get them to check it out for you.
 
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Well, this may not be the best analogy. The forum's purpose is not to educate newbies (although we certainly do a lot of that), and you are not a customer.

It might be better to think of this as a community or club, where each newcomer is different, and more or less welcome depending on their attitude and demeanor.

I think the word you're looking for is clique
Well, this may not be the best analogy. The forum's purpose is not to educate newbies (although we certainly do a lot of that), and you are not a customer.

It might be better to think of this as a community or club, where each newcomer is different, and more or less welcome depending on their attitude and demeanor.

Did I state or imply that the purpose of the forum is to educate newbies?
No I certainly didn't.
 
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Could you quote the exact post in which I "expressed doubt in the judgement of several members"
I don't believe I did but if you can highlight exactly where I did I will of course apologise.
Thanks
Hi Andy,

I think it was this one:

“Thanks
I've read the link but from this photo how can you tell”

I’m 90% sure that this was intended to come across as:

“Oh well, disappointing. What are the tell tale signs that allow you to make that immediate decision. I’m keen to learn.”

But it could equally be:

“Thanks for that opinion, but how can you possibly be so sure from just one picture.”

Tone can be hard to assess in these short messages.
 
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Questions like the OP's are posted on a daily basis by people who show up, demand an answer, and are never seen again. I think it was generous of @JimInOz and @Spruce to take the time to answer his question, and they have no obligation to make the effort to provide a detailed and lengthy explanation of something that is obvious to anyone with some experience. If the OP is interested in watches, he can take the time to learn. His entitled and demanding attitude is what caused the tone of the thread to deteriorate IMO.
Can you point out where the OP has exhibited an entitled and demanding attitude, I must have missed it.
 
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There are none so deaf as those who refuse to hear!
 
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In defense of the OP, he made a rookie mistake that many first time posters make here. I did it myself years ago. My first post was entitled "Help Me Value My Speedmaster." Obviously, I didn't get an open arms reception and I've since learned the ropes. But I will note that unlike some recent first time posters (e.g., Watch-up), the OP did not aggressively escalate matters, nor did he hurl about the kind of insults that prompted the mods to close Watch-up's thread. Let's all be reasonable here and not turn into the Rolex Forum. 😲
 
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In defense of the OP, he made a rookie mistake that many first time posters make here. I did it myself years ago. My first post was entitled "Help Me Value My Speedmaster." Obviously, I didn't get an open arms reception and I've since learned the ropes. But I will note that unlike some recent first time posters (e.g., Watch-up), the OP did not aggressively escalate matters, nor did he hurl about the kind of insults that prompted the mods to close Watch-up's thread. Let's all be reasonable here and not turn into the Rolex Forum. 😲

Appreciate that, and to show I'm not a watch newbie here's my pride and joy.
Although I wouldn't be surprised if this is declared as fake