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Hello
I thought here might be a good place to get more info on a watch I've inherited.
A search reveals some very similar but not with the lettering under the Omega badge.
Hope to get help and maybe a rough idea of year of manufacture.
It's a lovely thing and my photo doesn't do it justice.
Many thanks
 
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I've read the link but from this photo how can you tell
Hi Andy,
You may have been hoping it was a genuine Omega (and you’re right to imply that we haven’t seen the movement-which I anticipate isn’t genuine either) but when you ask a question of a specialist watch forum, you sometimes have to accept that we know what we’re talking about and, in the case of your photo, it’s definitely not a genuine Omega.
 
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I don’t think he was challenging the accuracy of the claim, was he? He was just asking what the signs were? Which is fair.

Spruce Spruce
Hi Andy,
You may have been hoping it was a genuine Omega (and you’re right to imply that we haven’t seen the movement-which I anticipate isn’t genuine either) but when you ask a question of a specialist watch forum, you sometimes have to accept that we know what we’re talking about and, in the case of your photo, it’s definitely not a genuine Omega.
 
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Spruce Spruce
Hi Andy,
You may have been hoping it was a genuine Omega (and you’re right to imply that we haven’t seen the movement-which I anticipate isn’t genuine either) but when you ask a question of a specialist watch forum, you sometimes have to accept that we know what we’re talking about and, in the case of your photo, it’s definitely not a genuine Omega.

So could you answer my question.
How can you tell from this photo
Thanks
 
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We can.

OK great
Based on the photo I posted, in your expert eyes there must be at least one giveaway that it's fake.
What is it.
 
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Hi Andy.

Could you post a photo of the rear of the watch? From the single photo of the watch, I would say that it is either fake or a bad redial, but most likely the former.

There are a lot of details that just don't add up - difficult to pinpoint with a single argument.

A bit like, "why isn't this a real moose?"

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OK great
Based on the photo I posted, in your expert eyes there must be at least one giveaway that it's fake.
What is it.
30t2 is one of the "30mm" movements from the fourties, developed into the 200 series movements. 30T2 is printed on the movement exclusively. No Omega watch has "30t2" printed on the dial. Besides, your watch has a definitive sixties dial style, at which time no 30T2 movements was made any more. Google "30T2 ranfft" and learn 😀
 
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A andyals
OK great
Based on the photo I posted, in your expert eyes there must be at least one giveaway that it's fake.
What is it.
I’m sorry you’re getting this power play Andy! Most unfair.

I am very much a novice collector but even I can see that the writing (omega) is the wrong style, and the seamaster is in the wrong place.

If you open the back it will tell you what serial number and movement it has, and from that can see if it’s a real omega with a lousy redial (possible) or an out and out fake as the guys have said (but l don’t know exactly what the view is based on).

Please take my view as VERY novice, however!
 
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30t2 is one of the "30mm" movements from the fourties, developed into the 200 series movements. 30T2 is printed on the movement exclusively. No Omega watch has "30t2" printed on the dial. Besides, your watch has a definitive sixties dial style, at which time no 30T2 movements was made any more. Google "30T2 ranfft" and learn 😀

I've just found another identical to mine.
Maybe another fake?
Possibly

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-omega-seamaster-30t2-519799738
 
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Also, if you put “omega 30t2” as a search in ebay you get exclusively 1940s models
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felsby felsby
30t2 is one of the "30mm" movements from the fourties, developed into the 200 series movements. 30T2 is printed on the movement exclusively. No Omega watch has "30t2" printed on the dial. Besides, your watch has a definitive sixties dial style, at which time no 30T2 movements was made any more. Google "30T2 ranfft" and learn 😀

I don't think Omega ever put movement reference number on dial, but I haven't seen al Omega dials 😀
 
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Dear @andyals, I know you'd like it to be a genuine Omega, but it simply isn't.

When you've seen hundreds (or thousands) of Omega watches over many years, the fakes are obvious.
Sometimes immediately (as in your case) and sometimes more difficult to determine due to the methods employed by fake makers (counterfeiters).

Regarding your watch and my observations.

The case shape/proportions in relation to the dial are at odds to Omega design from that era. The crown is also more like one from the 1920/30s or so, not the 1960s.

The dial indexes on a genuine Omega are generally not cut or machined into the metal of the dial, they are either impressed from below, riveted to the dial or simply printed.


The Omega symbol is crudely stamped, and not of a style used in the 1960s, more like earlier periods, possibly 1930s/1940s.
The Seamaster font is incorrect and that lettering style has never been used by Omega in my experience.

The word "OMEGA" has been crudely applied with no clear lines and no serifs expected for fonts of that era.

Omega never produced a watch with 30t2 on the dial.

I would have expected to see "SWISS MADE" on the bottom of the dial, not simply "SWISS".

In addition, if your watch has any markings on the back, it will help to solve the issue, as will a picture of the movement.

Over to you.

Regards

Jim
 
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OK to be clear, I can see you
JimInOz JimInOz
Dear @andyals, I know you'd like it to be a genuine Omega, but it simply isn't.

When you've seen hundreds (or thousands) of Omega watches over many years, the fakes are obvious.
Sometimes immediately (as in your case) and sometimes more difficult to determine due to the methods employed by fake makers (counterfeiters).

Regarding your watch and my observations.

The case shape/proportions in relation to the dial are at odds to Omega design from that era. The crown is also more like one from the 1920/30s or so, not the 1960s.

The dial indexes on a genuine Omega are generally not cut or machined into the metal of the dial, they are either impressed from below, riveted to the dial or simply printed.


The Omega symbol is crudely stamped, and not of a style used in the 1960s, more like earlier periods, possibly 1930s/1940s.
The Seamaster font is incorrect and that lettering style has never been used by Omega in my experience.

The word "OMEGA" has been crudely applied with no clear lines and no serifs expected for fonts of that era.

Omega never produced a watch with 30t2 on the dial.

I would have expected to see "SWISS MADE" on the bottom of the dial, not simply "SWISS".

In addition, if your watch has any markings on the back, it will help to solve the issue, as will a picture of the movement.

Over to you.

Regards

Jim


I don't know why I'm being met with such co
JimInOz JimInOz
Dear @andyals, I know you'd like it to be a genuine Omega, but it simply isn't.

When you've seen hundreds (or thousands) of Omega watches over many years, the fakes are obvious.
Sometimes immediately (as in your case) and sometimes more difficult to determine due to the methods employed by fake makers (counterfeiters).

Regarding your watch and my observations.

The case shape/proportions in relation to the dial are at odds to Omega design from that era. The crown is also more like one from the 1920/30s or so, not the 1960s.

The dial indexes on a genuine Omega are generally not cut or machined into the metal of the dial, they are either impressed from below, riveted to the dial or simply printed.


The Omega symbol is crudely stamped, and not of a style used in the 1960s, more like earlier periods, possibly 1930s/1940s.
The Seamaster font is incorrect and that lettering style has never been used by Omega in my experience.

The word "OMEGA" has been crudely applied with no clear lines and no serifs expected for fonts of that era.

Omega never produced a watch with 30t2 on the dial.

I would have expected to see "SWISS MADE" on the bottom of the dial, not simply "SWISS".

In addition, if your watch has any markings on the back, it will help to solve the issue, as will a picture of the movement.

Over to you.

Regards

Jim

As soon as I can figure out how to get the back off I'll post up a photo.
As for the watch itself I have nothing invested in it and certainly have no plans to sell it as it has sentimental value real or not.
I'm saddened that I've been met with a degree of hostility for asking the tell tale signs of it being fake.
That was obviously an unreasonable question to ask so I apologise.
 
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I don’t think you’ve been met with hostility as such, just a bit of condescension. I do agree that it was a bit unnecessary (and surprising) but hopefully those answers that did give information were useful.
 
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JimInOz JimInOz
Dear @andyals, I know you'd like it to be a genuine Omega, but it simply isn't.


I would have expected to see "SWISS MADE" on the bottom of the dial, not simply "SWISS".


Over to you.

Regards

Jim

I have no reason to doubt what you said except in regard to the point above, and I attach a photo of an original Omega add
 
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You shouldn't take any feedback too personal... First and foremost because this is internet after all.

But mainly, what people are saying is that you should first read, research on internet or better on this forum (there are sticky threads to educate novice collectors on what to look at when buying/looking for vintage Omega watches).

In essence, you are just posting a single picture asking people to validate, and educate you on the reasons, when you haven't (seemly) made the effort to first investigate yourself.

Otherwise, your question should have rather be... I found this watch, based on my researches, I believe or not it is a real one, but this and that is making me feel doubtful, highlighting your hesitations etc etc

In summary, don't feel offended if people don't want to take time to educate you, when you don't show that you have yourself taken the time to do it.

I concur with all the experts here... Fake watch
 
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