Omega Holy Grail ref. 3760822 hands set

pitpro

Another owners opinion. Owned the bottom watch with discolored hands
in my last post.
From the "Show me your 376.0822" thread
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/sh...peedmaster-38953-post4585159.html#post4585159

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MarkEg
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Re: Show me your 376.0822 Speedmaster!
The Omega Speedmaster Lemania 1045 (5100) Grail has been always been a tough watch to find. They just don’t come up for sale very often..
You don’t have to worry about the fakers as they seem to have left this one alone so far. Estimates are that only 1000 were made and the case design is quite different to the normal Speedmaster, thicker and with the pushers enclosed.
I am on my second watch now and having recently sold the first one I bought.

The main culprits for less than perfect versions seems to be Omega themselves.

Examples that have been through Bienne, come back with alternative dial, hands, and bezel. Some of these changes are easy to spot other are not, so I thought I would list a few things I have noticed in my hunt for the Grail in case others may be looking for one.
Here are the differences

The Bienne – replacement dial
Does not have the number 10,
The minute markers are a smaller diameter and so leave a gap near the chapter ring markers.
The luminous hour markers do not extent out as far as the chapter ring.
The day and date window is not enclosed – and is open to the right of the date.
The 24 hour dial has a shaded area from 6 to 18
The word OMEGA has a different font - and
The S in Speedmaster is very different.

The Bienne replacement hands
The hour hand is fatter
Both hands are not so sharp/pointed at the ends
On both hands the lume does not extend for the full length on the hand
The chronograph second hand does not have a Diamond lume section.

The replacement Bezel
It has an accent over the E, not present on the original
The 70 marker has a low dot, whereas the original has a dot to the right of the 70

Bracelet and end pieces
The original bracelet is the famous 1450 and ends are numbered 809
whereas the newer replacements ends are numbered 808
I have seen some Grails with different replacement bracelets, including the standard 1171 speedy bracelet.

So all in all quite a few differences – I appreciate that parts are no longer available, however you would have thought that Omega could try harder to make replacements that keep the look of the watch the same.
Good luck finding one of these, if you do in my opinion it is well worth the search.
To anyone who has a Bienne refurbished watch – my advice is to keep the old parts safe..

Cheers

Mark

The Bienne Re-furb



My recent watch - the Chrono second counter has a broken end, but apart from that it is all original.




The one I sold recently


And before the day wheel was changed

milhouse

Are these hands correct for Ref. 3760822 Holy Grail too?

Thank you?

TsoloT

Yes they fit the grail as the Teutonic and the grail were both 1045 but lume length needs to be checked as I have seen variations

milhouse

Yes, I try to buy a correct Mk5 because I can not find the original hands for my Holy Grail...

pitpro

I admire your tenacity 👍

oddboy

Yes, but the chrono seconds hand appears to be missing the tail. Hour and minute are correct though.

oddboy

Other hands look fine to me.. And it appears I was mistaken about the chrono hand. Here's a reference.

oddboy

Yes.

Can we see the Grail? 😁

TsoloT

Unfortunately this is not the right Dial in the above photo