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Omega Holy Grail ref. 3760822 hands set

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TsoloT TsoloT
Unfortunately this is not the right Dial in the above photo

Hi, thank you for your reply.
I know that the dial, the hands and the bezel of my Holy Grail are not correct. I have already found the correct dial (see the picture below) and now I found a Mark V to swap his hands to replace the wrong hands of my Holy Grail.
I am only asking if the hands of this exact Mark V are correct also for my Holy Grail.
Thank you for your help.
 
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So sorry I misunderstood...the Mark 5 hands are exactly the same as the grail hands ...the same caliber and sizes so do the swap and you will have a correct authentic watcg7

By the way the Dial is excellent where did you source that
 
milhouse
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So sorry I misunderstood...the Mark 5 hands are exactly the same as the grail hands ...the same caliber and sizes so do the swap and you will have a correct authentic watcg7

By the way the Dial is excellent where did you source that

Thank you very much! I am very happy now.
Now I have to find a correct B2 bezel.

I bought the dial from a friend that find it in
Switzerland.
 
TsoloT
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Have the subsidiary dials got concentric circles...the colour of the lume
Is right for an original Dial but I can’t tell about the circles
 
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Not at all original ..everything looks swapped except the case
 
milhouse
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Have the subsidiary dials got concentric circles...the colour of the lume
Is right for an original Dial but I can’t tell about the circles

Which is your doubt about my dial?
 
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milhouse milhouse
Which is your doubt about my dial?
original dials and new services dials are basically identical, except that original ones have concentric circles on the subdials. modern services ones do not.

It is entirely possible to find modern service dials that have been aged a little to look like original dials, and since the markings are the same, it's easy to be fooled...
 
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another point, modern service dials are not made from Singer like the original ones. Easy to spot on the back of the dial.
 
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incabloc incabloc
another point, modern service dials are not made from Singer like the original ones. Easy to spot on the back of the dial.
Actually they are made by singer but not stamped up the same ...look at my site www.omegaholygrail.com on dials and you can see the difference

You are absolutely correct that they are marked differently though
 
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original dials and new services dials are basically identical, except that original ones have concentric circles on the subdials. modern services ones do not.

It is entirely possible to find modern service dials that have been aged a little to look like original dials, and since the markings are the same, it's easy to be fooled...
One further point and that is the lume plot test ...even the painted patinated dials new made to look old cannot hide the glow from the luminova in the dark

So do the lights on lights off test and you can see the difference also the print is slightly difference but you need dials side to side to notice it
 
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Cacam Cacam
Is this original all on it?
https://www.chrono24.se/omega/speedmaster-chronograph-holy-grail-stahl--id7294308.htm

There is a very big price difference between the ones on chrono24...


unfortunately every single Holy grail on Chrono24 is lacking authenticity...the hands are wrong in every case and oftentimes the bezel and the Dial is off and the most expensive one on there has the wrong bracelet and an over polished case

Odd boy has a good correct example ...this is a rare model in totally correct configuration and I have looked at over 110 so far and up to 33% are completely wrong with a further 20% being partly wrong hence the fact that IMHO there maybe only 800 or so authentics and about 500 good examples and this is providing all that were made still survive ,which is a bit unlikely
 
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TsoloT TsoloT
Actually they are made by singer but not stamped up the same ...look at my site www.omegaholygrail.com on dials and you can see the difference

You are absolutely correct that they are marked differently though

Is there any plan to add the bicolor version as well to your site ?
 
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I realize this doesn't carry the same cachet, but I really wish we could refer to this reference as "Chuck's Holy Grail". I'm pretty sure that for the vast majority of Omega Speedmaster collectors there are a large number of other references that would be considered a grail above this particular one. Don't get me wrong - I like it, and certainly wouldn't mind owning one, but it's not a 2915 (or a 2998, Ed White, Apollo-Soyuz, etc).
 
pitpro
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Interesting to watch the resentment this watch
creates among non-owner collectors and ponder
why they feel the need to knock the watch down a few
notches every time a thread about it pops up.
 
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pitpro pitpro
Interesting to watch the resentment this watch
creates among non-owner collectors and ponder
why they feel the need to knock the watch down a few
notches every time a thread about it pops up.
🍿
 
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pitpro pitpro
Interesting to watch the resentment this watch
creates among non-owner collectors and ponder
why they feel the need to knock the watch down a few
notches every time a thread about it pops up.

Saying that the attribution that it is the "Omega Holy Grail" doesn't apply for a majority of Omega collectors isn't knocking the watch - it was one man's Grail, and should be known as his Grail in honor of him and what he did for collecting and providing information about Speedmasters back before this information was readily available.
 
pitpro
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rcs914 rcs914
I realize this doesn't carry the same cachet, but I really wish we could refer to this reference as "Chuck's Holy Grail"..

Sounded like you were saying the watch didn't deserve the
"cachet" of being known as 'Holy Grail' and that you wish
"we" would change that.

My post wasn't directed at you singularly, it was an observation.
Chuck coined the moniker 'Holy Grail'. When he bought his
in 2001, he had to pay 2-3x what Moonwatches and 2998's were
selling for. So obviously, at the time, these were grails for Speedmaster
collectors other than Chuck. Things change, right? Nicknames usually don't. 😉
 
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