Omega Holy Grail ref. 3760822 hands set

Overgrower

Thank you for sharing your knowledge @TsoloT. Very interesting to read and learn from.

incabloc

Thank you, just the dial has some missing lume, but thats mor or less normal I think.
Mine is also stamped with ST376.0822, I think they just used the already available case backs. The number of my watch is 100.

oddboy

@pitpro, you mention 3 bezels.. are these not the same as the standard moonwatch ones?

oddboy

I almost bought that watch from mith21!!!

Thanks for the extra verbosity. Very helpful.

I always assumed it was just the same old moonwatch bezel and you could fit any to this case, even a DON if you wanted to. Guess not.[/QUOTE

pitpro

@oddboy
What I shared about 3 bezels was taken from a discussion on the watchuseek "Show me your 376.0822" thread.
Pascal, the thread starter, had a watch with an accented bezel, he said he knew
had no service ever done and was certain it left the factory that way.
Here's Pascal's watch and quote from the thread.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/show-me-your-376-0822-speedmaster-38953-9.html

"I'm not at all convinced the accented bezel can be necessarily defined as a replacement part. The reason is that I've seen several of these watches in their fully original configuration, including my own example, with that particular bezel. In the case of my watch, it never benefited from any cosmetic care, so the bezel is the one it left Bienne with.

My theory is that there has been two production batches for this part: an initial one (possibly of a thousand) without the accented character, and a second one with it. In the meantime, the watch turned out to be a bit of a flop on the market, so Omega got stuck with the remainder of the second production batch for future service needs. My personal guesstimate for the total number of these watches is that around 1,500 were made, and since the last 200 (the Italian market only version mith321 posted a picture of) got a specific solid gold bezel, that's another 200 bezel inserts freed up for future needs."


I replied pointing out that an NOS example presented on the thread by mith21 and another seemingly original watch owned by MarkEg and my watch all had a bezel with No accent and the 7 had no downleg. When he sold it, mith21 offered it as NOS with paperwork, and it sure looked it. Here it is.'

Here is the MarkEg watch that looks very original.



Then there is the most commonly seen bezel like this one. No accent and 7 with a downleg.


This is what was called a Service bezel by an owner in the thread that sent his in to Omega for service
and it came back with this and the old one.



The bicolor seems to have no downleg 7 also
My take on the whole thing is that if the dot is next to the 70, it's original,
if below the 70, replacement
It's just my theory, doesn't mean anything but it's pretty hard to argue with NOS.

oddboy

I almost bought that watch from mith21!!!

Thanks for the extra verbosity. Very helpful.

I always assumed it was just the same old moonwatch bezel and you could fit any to this case, even a DON if you wanted to. Guess not.

oddboy

So the bezel is one and the same as the moonwatch ?

pitpro

I almost did too. LoL
Thought very hard about it.
We should have!

TsoloT

Unfortunately with respect you’re focusing on the wrong thing it’s not the position of the dot that is important
It’s the number seven

If the seven has a serif and has no accent it’s a type B2 and it is original if it doesn’t have a seriph it is a replacement type B4

Type B4 bezels were not made till 1990
Type B2 bezels were on the grails and their contemporaries the speedy moon the 20 year etc

For a good example of an original watch you can do no better then look at Chuck Maddox ‘s With the Type B2 bezel Unfortunately his watch sports the 808end links
Which in my humble opinion is incorrect as the watch should be provided with a 1450 bracelet and 809 and links or at worse the 1479 and 812,s