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  1. milhouse Aug 16, 2017

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    I suppose that this Holy Grail went to Bienne for service. The dial is surely a service one.

    What do you think about hands set? I'm non sure that hour and chrono hands are from service. They seem to have the right lenght and widht.
    Perhaps minute hand is a service one, but I'm non sure.


    Could anyone help me?
     
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  2. Joe K. Curious about this text thingy below his avatar Aug 16, 2017

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    Lume groove on the minute hand should extend almost the full length of the hand. These are likely service hands.
     
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  3. kov Trüffelschwein. Aug 16, 2017

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    An original one to compare :

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  4. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Aug 16, 2017

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    Definitely not correct ones, but better than the fatter MarkV hands, IMHO.

    Finding originals will probably be hard to find. If I'm not mistaken, they are only correct for this reference and one of the cal.1045 teutonics.
     
  5. georgeszaslavsky Aug 16, 2017

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    good luck for finding original grail hands, you will have to regularly and thoroughly check if those who sell spare parts on chrono 24 or ebay have a pair for sale.
     
  6. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Aug 16, 2017

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    E.g., if you really really want some, look for one of these..

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  7. milhouse Aug 16, 2017

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    Perhaps you are thinking to this one:
     
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  8. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Aug 16, 2017

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    Yes! D'oh!
     
  9. milhouse Aug 16, 2017

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    The minute hand is surely wrong. The hour hand seems (to me) identical to the original one.

    I can't see the difference of the other hands from the original ones:

    - continues seconds hand (at nine position)
    - 24hours (triangle) hand (at twelve position)
    - second chrono hand
    - minute chono hand
    - minute chrono hand (at six position)

    Which is the difference?
    Thank you
     
  10. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Aug 16, 2017

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    I think what Joe K. is saying is that some of those at least are service/replacement hands. the minute hand, I think is clear. the chrono second hand is very white compared to the others. the 24 hour hand also appears to be whiter (=newer) than the others. it may be that the hour hand, maybe some of the subdial hands, are original, but some of them are definitely not.. whether that's acceptable to you (or OP, or a buyer) is a personal decision. If they're presented as original, that begs a lot more questions...
     
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  11. milhouse Aug 16, 2017

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    Are the difference only about color? No differences in lenght and widht?
     
  12. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Aug 16, 2017

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    Not that I know if, but I've never measured.

    The 376.0822 often gets the fatter hands from the Mark series and those are obvious and don't look as good.

    E.g, 6ff90d587caf8e9182ef1e797f9f715b.jpg
     
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  13. milhouse Aug 21, 2017

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    Are the cal. 5100 teutonic (ref. 376.0806) handset exactly the same ones of the holy grail (ref. 376.0822)?
     
  14. ac106 Aug 21, 2017

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    I wish Omega would re-release this watch with these changes:

    1) eliminate the inside minute scale and center the "Omega" and "Speedmaster Automatic" with the date window
    2) make the 24 hour indicator a true GMT/2nd time zone
    3) wait... that's it. perfect
     
  15. TsoloT Oct 4, 2017

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    The dial ,the bezel { it should be type 2 not 4} and the hands are all service in my humble opinion
     
  16. Kringkily Omega Collector / Hunter Oct 4, 2017

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    This is a correct dial
     
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  17. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Oct 4, 2017

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    Omega does make a correct Service dial for these. And since both original and modern dials are not marked with T's, it can be hard to tell them apart, other than one being SL of course.

    Edit: pic, from Omega Service centre in Toronto about 2 years ago.

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  18. DB1983 Oct 6, 2017

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  19. TsoloT Oct 6, 2017

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    Yes same lume length but it must be the 1045 caliber Teutonic and the chrono hand will also therefore be correct as will the pinion diameter
    The grail is one of the most misunderstood wartches in my HO all the books including the Alberto Isnardi the MWO and the Journey through time have the wrong watch featured ! Even the Honourable Chuck got the watch slightly wrong as he claimed it was only made in 1987 when in fact it was produced and delivered right upto the end of 1988 and possible but unproven to the beginning of 1989 even the famous photo of his watch may well be indicative of a none authentic configuration as the gap between the SEL and the watch tends to show it it as being an 808 not an 809 which was the correct version

    I would definitely use ODD BOYS photo which he has kindly provided as a reference for all comparatives even to the extent of the slight lumpy ness on the 35 lume as this along with defects on the 3o’clock lume and the lume wobble at the 5-10 min past marks is totally correct

    In order
     
  20. TsoloT Oct 6, 2017

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    The service dials for the are 376.0822 indistinguishable from the original [not the often replacement mark4] by the quality of the lume
    As the old dials had lots of lume problems and the lume was much more heavily applied which is not the case with the newer versions also the old dials have a cream patina not a white to green patina due to different lume
    A correct original 376.0822 is now very rare as a statistically analysis has shown that approximately 28 % are service dial or hands and the also carrying the type 4 bezel not the type 2

    That along with natural damage loss or wastage will put the real number of original configuration watches today in the 500 range and a lot less than that are in collector quality such as ODDBOYS hence the price rise and the 5 year doubling in price

    The current example on Chrono 24 is wrong in just about everything hour hand minute hand Chrono hand bezel dial bracelet end links watch case polished and they are asking over £17,000
     
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