I will source a Speedeorite right now for you if you want to trade me the 1976 Italian version straight up....

 

At Time 4A Pint we have a very enlightened crowd...like the fine folks on this forum... who I affectionately think of as my fellow nerds.

The boutique events I've been to, predominantly seem to be filled with the VIP customers who have the deepest pockets (not sure how I got on the list...), and then a much smaller group of nerds.

That whole "luxury watch brand" things tends to attract more people who are interested in Luxury, than Watches. ;-)

 

I'm sorry but it's the exact opposite!

I am open to all the reasoning, insights and / or suspicions concerning the Pre-Apollo-Soyuz watches.

mine is not a battle is simply a desire to know the truth. I believe and hope that having shared many documents, declarations or e-mails over the years with many people has been a pleasure for both of us and it is also for this reason that I confirm again that I accept any common sense suggestions.

sorry but for your suggestion, to give up, I do not know what to do ...

 

No your open to anyone that agrees with you. You still have failed to answer the question that has been repeatedly asked of you.

If there are 100 watches not built by Omega, how do you verify it? That’s the whole problem which you fail to address.

 

Same with Hodinkee events, almost any event hosted by a dealer, etc. The amount of watch nerd conversation is shockingly slim, whereas there are always very lively conversations about the markets and Bitcoin. And then there are the micro-brand "startups" helmed by finance bros

I'm coming to find that outside of small-scale forum GTGs, I'd rather keep to myself in the watch world

 

Because there is no evidence that there are 100 watchs built by DeMarchi.
Let's be clear, do you think it is possible that any watchmaker could build 100 Apollo-Soyuz watches from scratch?

we find the 100 watches "not built by Omega" and then I'm at you disposal to talk about it.

if you allow me, before talking about something that does not exist, I would like to deepen the discussion of the 40 watches built by Omega, marketed by Demarchi and bought in 1975 by the Italians

 

So now your saying your watch was not one of those 100 you started this thread about????

Now your saying your watch was one of 40 pre production watches that appear to predate that Apollo logo sold before the mission that also cannot be confirmed and have later serial numbers?

That logo was not used until very close to the mission start and was never the official logo. It was a variant created very near the launch date for lapel pins and patches only existed for it very close to the launch date.

 

It's an issue for sure, and one I've been very wary of as I've scaled up Time 4A Pint...

 

The ASTP emblem was designed in mid 73 by a Russian and that is clearly documented in multiple places. This is what is on the watch but is not the mission patch.

The ASTP project emblem, created by Russian artist Galina Balashova, was artfully designed to eliminate any bias by having APOLLO and СОЮЗ (SOYUZ) appear on opposite sides of the patch, which had no inherent up/down or left/right orientation. It was designed in 1973, and was widely used throughout the project both in America and the Soviet Union.

 

I have always said that the production of the Apollo-Soyuz out of range is from 1975 and that all the watches have the caseback engraved (I took the example of the 461 equipped with Extract d Archive)
I have nothing to hide on page 5 there is what I said

I seemed to have read that the A-S logo was born on June 30, 1972
But I found this article dated January 1975 where you can see the Apollo-Soyuz logo on the bottom.

the launch took place on 17 July 1975

 

sorry but before you wrote that the logo was shown just before the launch of 1975 and now write that he was born in 1973?
therefore in January 1975 the A-S logo already existed.

do we agree on this point?

 

Some examples

 

Make mine a double

 

You are correct

 

You have done some incredible work on the MWO book and for that I salute you but to claim that 99.9% of the people who go to museums as do not know the difference between luminous and tritium is both patronising and wrong

I have spent hours chatting to directors of such institutions and they are always amazed and impressed by how knowledgeable most visitorsare
View attachment 489873 View attachment 489875 View attachment 489877 View attachment 489878 View attachment 489879 View attachment 489880 View attachment 489882 View attachment 489883 Secondly in respect of the watch in question..I was in Vienna on Wednesday and visited the museum which I understand is one of the very few combined with a boutique .This watch was not displayed as some kind of demo indeed the museum along with BIENNE has gone to considerable trouble to give an enormous amount of effort in making this a very interesting and appealing range of exhibits and I will include photos to show what I am alluding to ,however the Soyuz Apollo [which was fully described as such ] was not equal to the rest as it was clearly a ‘Franken’ on a leather strap and the director in the shop was happy to point out how many times collectors had drawn the problems with this watch to his attention


Having said all that this is a fascinating debate and I don’t think too much inference can be drawn from this one display watch anomaly ...the real intrigue is what actually took place with this models production

 

Thank you for publishing these photos.
Is this your A-S?

 

Yes

 

does anyone know a quick way to know which movement mounts this strange A-S made in Biel?

 

obviously I refer to the anomalous clock ...

 

off topc but what are the black straps on the speedies any one have the reference number