And ... the eighth day eBay created an Omega Apollo-Soyuz ...

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I agree Archer we are obsessive and it is the nature of the game. Total originality is the grail we chase, how much variation from that is acceptable is an interesting and volatile subject.

It would seem that if the changes cannot be detected its acceptable, which is not encouraging openness and accountability.

If a Soyuz with all parts correct but the wrong serial number is worth as little as £7,500 as has been suggested, and a correct serial number elevates it to £50k I would be very happy to make the saving. You can't wear an extract and no one admires a serial number.

A few years ago very few bothered to request an extract. Now it is almost de rigueur. While it is nice if it matches, I am not sure it has really bothered me too much if its not there.

A replaced out of range movement would bother me a little more, but only about 10-30% of the value of an all correct example depending on the watch. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water!

@Andy K I think Franken suggests a watch made up of parts, and a mixture of models. This is not how I would describe a watch with correct parts replaced as necessary.
 
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A replaced out of range movement would bother me a little more, but only about 10-30% of the value of an all correct example depending on the watch. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water!

No one is suggesting anything of the sort. Only that it affects value, which you now appear to agree with...
 
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I think Franken suggests a watch made up of parts, and a mixture of models. This is not how I would describe a watch with correct parts replaced as necessary.

The watches in question in this thread are made up of parts ie) not watches that Omega agrees are LE,s but made up of parts by a subsidiary dealer from parts years ago.


The more money for any item the more muddy the waters get from shonkster's.

Just look at vintage Rolex and how that has seen dial swaps and fake dials being placed in subs where a red line of script can quadruple the price of a watch.
 
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@simonsays

These pieces are contentious and more volatile then most.

There are real ones as claimed by extracts, then made up ones with parts that escaped somehow from the Italian importer that sold these pieces. Some are claimed as prototypes or a series made in Italy by the importer and should be recognized as real even if there is no proof.

What I can say is missing the special pushers, and an apparently wrong serial number with no extract raises a lot of flags.
 
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And its back...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232894651341?ViewItem=&item=232894651341

Serial still 5 years too early and pushers too small. In other words it is a redialed 1970. Clowns.

Perfect observation!
However, despite the 5 mm pushers and the abnormal movement, has anyone decided to shell out 50k to buy this watch ... a millionaire clown?
... I say a collector who perhaps sees long ...

Let's not forget that until last month there were collectors who would not have spent a single euro for an Apollo Soyuz out of range while today this A/S watch is the highest paid of all time ... fate vobis
 
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Perfect observation!
However, despite the 5 mm pushers and the abnormal movement, has anyone decided to shell out 50k to buy this watch ... a millionaire clown?
... I say a collector who perhaps sees long ...

Let's not forget that until last month there were collectors who would not have spent a single euro for an Apollo Soyuz out of range while today this A/S watch is the highest paid of all time ... fate vobis
So it sold for GBP45K?
 
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Perfect observation!
However, despite the 5 mm pushers and the abnormal movement, has anyone decided to shell out 50k to buy this watch ... a millionaire clown?
... I say a collector who perhaps sees long ...

Let's not forget that until last month there were collectors who would not have spent a single euro for an Apollo Soyuz out of range while today this A/S watch is the highest paid of all time ... fate vobis
A single withdrawn listing or an idiot who doesn't do due diligence do not create a market. How do you know they didn't take £10K for it? This was still a collection of quite desirable bits, not a legit matching numbers watch. Rather like yours (or so I am lead to believe). Pretending otherwise is fooling no one. If you think I am wrong why not list yours on ebay at £50K and we'll see what happens. Perhaps there are those with deep pockets out there who are less fussy than most on here.
 
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A single withdrawn listing or an idiot who doesn't do due diligence do not create a market. How do you know they didn't take £10K for it? This was still a collection of quite desirable bits, not a legit matching numbers watch. Rather like yours (or so I am lead to believe). Pretending otherwise is fooling no one. If you think I am wrong why not list yours on ebay at £50K and we'll see what happens. Perhaps there are those with deep pockets out there who are less fussy than most on here.

as I wrote before, I agree with you that a collector does not make the market but in the specific case this auction broke that wall that divided good A / S watches from the anomalous ... in all honesty I do not understand why I should try to sell my watch? to try what? I have nothing to prove, my watch was bought in 1975 by an official OMEGA dealer and the OMEGA Delivery Note confirms it. Everything else is Bar chat!

so I think it is not a matter of fussiness but simply if from now on if someone wants to buy this watch must be willing to pay him so much and above must consider the fact of having a movment out of batch ... after all how many Rolex Cartier are on the market without documentation ... it is important that fussy ones are more realistic