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repoman
路sorry but I did not understand well; the clock on the right was owned by Omega or a collector?
do you remember the name of the person who exhibited the Omega on the right?
OMEGA Apollo-Soyuz: The hidden truths
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Archer
路路Omega Qualified WatchmakerI have no skin in the game, and frankly, don't care, but feel that @dennisthemenace very valid point was overlooked.
Not by me...馃榾
I also have no skin in this particular game, but if I was and was considering a purchase the first thing I would do is get a new extract...
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Apollo-Soyuz
路The issue with this is, that as @dennisthemenace says:
So when the person requesting the extract from the archive, was able to provide information which they wanted added... and we have seen this before with watches that are incorrect, but have an extract from pre 2010... the extract is essentially worthless.
I have no skin in the game, and frankly, don't care, but feel that @dennisthemenace very valid point was overlooked.
I did not neglect this concept.
Years ago, Omega added details in Extract d Archive because they were suggested by the owners themselves, then, over the years, OMEGA has understood (late) that probably the best thing to do was to confirm only the things mentioned in their archives ...
the director of the Omega Museum had confirmed to me that there was no register concerning the progressive numbers engraved on the Apollo-Soyuz caseback ...
but I think that in this forum there are people much more prepared than me on the Extract d'Archive that will clarify your doubts.
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Apollo-Soyuz
路The watch on the right is owned by Omega, it is part of their museum collection.
Jean-Claude Monachan
thank you very much for your help
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Apollo-Soyuz
路I am speechless ...
the most anomalous Apollo-Soyuz in the world and clearly different from all the other Omega-Apollo Soyuz belongs to the Vice President Omega?
it's a joke!
do you remember the 1992 film "A Few Good Men"?
... when Tom Cruise asks Jack Nicholson if he was the one to "order the red code"?
the assassination of President Kennedy is nothing compared to the unresolved case of the Apollo-Soyuz clocks ... excuse me but I try to laugh at it
the most anomalous Apollo-Soyuz in the world and clearly different from all the other Omega-Apollo Soyuz belongs to the Vice President Omega?
it's a joke!
do you remember the 1992 film "A Few Good Men"?
... when Tom Cruise asks Jack Nicholson if he was the one to "order the red code"?
the assassination of President Kennedy is nothing compared to the unresolved case of the Apollo-Soyuz clocks ... excuse me but I try to laugh at it
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tyrantlizardrex
路Not by me...馃榾
I also have no skin in this particular game, but if I was and was considering a purchase the first thing I would do is get a new extract...
We're on the same page 馃憤
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dennisthemenace
路So the only thing I can be sure about regarding these watches is that the one at the Omega museum is clearly different from all the others shown in this rather enlightening thread. It's obviously a prototype.
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TsoloT
路I am speechless ...
the most anomalous Apollo-Soyuz in the world and clearly different from all the other Omega-Apollo Soyuz belongs to the Vice President Omega?
it's a joke!
do you remember the 1992 film "A Few Good Men"?
... when Tom Cruise asks Jack Nicholson if he was the one to "order the red code"?
the assassination of President Kennedy is nothing compared to the unresolved case of the Apollo-Soyuz clocks ... excuse me but I try to laugh at it
The back is the standard inscription on all the 145.022 ...it is not a Soyuz ...it鈥檚 a regular late 70s watch with a service bezel and a Soyuz Dial on a leather strap as indicated in the picture ...not sure it鈥檚 meant to be a Soyuz although the description indicates it is
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dennisthemenace
路it鈥檚 a regular late 70s watch with a service bezel and a Soyuz Dial
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tyrantlizardrex
路But it's a totally different dial, can't you see that?
Missing the Ts and the markers look different. 馃槜
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dennisthemenace
路Sorry, but I thought it was common knowledge that the Apollo -Soyuz dial had the long hour markers. I'm disappointed that the Omega museum can't afford a real one.
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oddboy
路Maybe they just haven't managed to snag a decent one yet. They're not the easiest reference to find.
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Apollo-Soyuz
路I have seen this watch it is currently in the museum in the Omega boutique in Vienna
The back is the standard inscription on all the 145.022 ...it is not a Soyuz ...it鈥檚 a regular late 70s watch with a service bezel and a Soyuz Dial on a leather strap as indicated in the picture ...not sure it鈥檚 meant to be a Soyuz although the description indicates it is
sorry, but the dial is not Apollo-Soyuz has obviously been customized (in bad way) to become it, why show the public a fake so obvious?
Omega has always attributed to the Maison DeMarchi a blame for the A-S out-of-range. and now we discover by chance this watch, not only belongs to Omega, but that is shown to the public at major events ... for me this is not a demonstration of consistency
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Apollo-Soyuz
路Maybe they just haven't managed to snag a decent one yet. They're not the easiest reference to find.
OK, maybe they have not yet managed to get a decent one, but...
the point is not this, if for years OMEGA said that the Maison DeMarchi has created unauthorized watches, Omega owners exhibit this monster in Milan, Paris, Geneva and Los Angeles and no one has asked questions...
Boh!?
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BenBagbag
路sorry, but the dial is not Apollo-Soyuz has obviously been customized (in bad way) to become it, why show the public a fake so obvious?
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lowen
路Again, it's just a demo sample for boutique events where 99,9% of the people don't even know the difference between tritium and luminova (and that is normal). Where's the problem here?
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tyrantlizardrex
路Again, it's just a demo sample for boutique events where 99,9% of the people don't even know the difference between tritium and luminova (and that is normal). Where's the problem here?
At the boutique events I鈥檝e been to, most people seem to only really care whether their champagne is kept topped up... the watches are by-the-by. 馃槜
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Apollo-Soyuz
路in my opinion not everyone thinks of Champagne but in this case I do not understand why exposing a watch that is a son of anyone.
this is not an A-S watch!
If inside this clock there was a movement between 39.180.xxx and 39.181.xxx it could be the living proof that not only ASs exist with out-of-range movements but there are also watch AS with correct movements but everything else counterfeit , and in this case it is Omega herself who shows it to everyone.
... it is very likely that if someone in Omega, reading these considerations, wanted to invent any logical explanation NOW we could also believe it but the problem would remain:
Given that Omega has been asked several times by individuals, collectors and fans around the world and all asked for an explanation about the anomalous Apollo-Soyuz watches.
If this is the premise, why would Omega have ever had to expose this monster to his events and above all why insert it carefully together with those watches considered among the rarest in the world?
right, because everyone thinks about champagne...
maybe because I was not at the Los Angeles event that I do not think that's
this is not an A-S watch!
If inside this clock there was a movement between 39.180.xxx and 39.181.xxx it could be the living proof that not only ASs exist with out-of-range movements but there are also watch AS with correct movements but everything else counterfeit , and in this case it is Omega herself who shows it to everyone.
... it is very likely that if someone in Omega, reading these considerations, wanted to invent any logical explanation NOW we could also believe it but the problem would remain:
Given that Omega has been asked several times by individuals, collectors and fans around the world and all asked for an explanation about the anomalous Apollo-Soyuz watches.
If this is the premise, why would Omega have ever had to expose this monster to his events and above all why insert it carefully together with those watches considered among the rarest in the world?
right, because everyone thinks about champagne...
maybe because I was not at the Los Angeles event that I do not think that's
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Riviera Paradise
路At the boutique events I鈥檝e been to, most people seem to only really care whether their champagne is kept topped up... the watches are by-the-by. 馃槜
Wow, I thought in London / Europe you would have a more enlightened crowd at your events. Here in Rio the events are fun but woefully poor for any relevant exchange on watches. The hilarious thing is that I have been considered an "expert" with the local OB crowd, which as many of you in the OF know is an absolute joke as I don't have 0.01% of the watch know-how expertise of many here on the OF.
Interesting thread on the Soyuz...reminds me of the discussions I used to see in Railway Modeling magazines about whether the LMS Stanier Class 5 locomotive from a certain year had a sloping throatplate boiler馃榾
I know no one is asking this but personally I would much prefer a meteorite Soyuz LE over an Italian made Apollo-Soyuz馃槤馃榿
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BenBagbag
路in my opinion not everyone thinks of Champagne but in this case I do not understand why exposing a watch that is a son of anyone.
this is not an A-S watch!
If inside this clock there was a movement between 39.180.xxx and 39.181.xxx it could be the living proof that not only ASs exist with out-of-range movements but there are also watch AS with correct movements but everything else counterfeit , and in this case it is Omega herself who shows it to everyone.
... it is very likely that if someone in Omega, reading these considerations, wanted to invent any logical explanation NOW we could also believe it but the problem would remain:
Given that Omega has been asked several times by individuals, collectors and fans around the world and all asked for an explanation about the anomalous Apollo-Soyuz watches.
If this is the premise, why would Omega have ever had to expose this monster to his events and above all why insert it carefully together with those watches considered among the rarest in the world?
right, because everyone thinks about champagne...
maybe because I was not at the Los Angeles event that I do not think that's
I'm getting the impression that you're going to be oppositional to any suggestion or explanation about anything.
I understand that you're passionate but it's time to let it go and pick your battles.
