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MaiLollo
·does anyone know a quick way to know which movement mounts this strange A-S made in Biel?
OMEGA Apollo-Soyuz: The hidden truths
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tyrantlizardrex
·Are you hoping it's a 39m serial number?
NAIL ON HEAD. 👍
I wonder if there would be so much effort/rage/ego involved if these watches were worth £500?
Outsiders observation, but the level of nonsense in these type of threads seems to directly correlate to how much the owner thinks they might get if their watch is "genuine".
First the never ending "Grail" threads from a certain poster, and now this, at 15 pages.
The Squirrel was wrong, it's not Speedmasters that cause this kind of weird, it's high values, and people thinking they're going to get rich.
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Apollo-Soyuz
·Why does it matter ? It has been obviously put together, and with incorrect parts. Are you hoping it's a 39m serial number?
I hope nothing, simple curiosity
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TsoloT
·off topc but what are the black straps on the speedies any one have the reference number[/
NAIL ON HEAD. 👍
I wonder if there would be so much effort/rage/ego involved if these watches were worth £500?
Outsiders observation, but the level of nonsense in these type of threads seems to directly correlate to how much the owner thinks they might get if their watch is "genuine".
First the never ending "Grail" threads from a certain poster, and now this, at 15 pages.
The Squirrel was wrong, it's not Speedmasters that cause this kind of weird, it's high values, and people thinking they're going to get rich.
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tyrantlizardrex
·The man has got it right velocity of argument varies in direct proportions to the value of the watch ...how much are these worth ?
Actual value x hype = eleventybillion dollars.
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TsoloT
·Well at least that makes sense
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Apollo-Soyuz
·NAIL ON HEAD. 👍
I wonder if there would be so much effort/rage/ego involved if these watches were worth £500?
Outsiders observation, but the level of nonsense in these type of threads seems to directly correlate to how much the owner thinks they might get if their watch is "genuine".
First the never ending "Grail" threads from a certain poster, and now this, at 15 pages.
The Squirrel was wrong, it's not Speedmasters that cause this kind of weird, it's high values, and people thinking they're going to get rich.
You do well to ask yourself this question, it's pure logic!
I can answer this question for myself and for a few others.
- All this great effort and time for a matter of principle.
- The anger for NOT having received from Omega the answers that would have cleared up this story forever.
- The disappointment of knowing after years that my A-S clock was not included in the correct range. The joke is that only 15 years ago Omega decided to give this news and not at the time of purchase.
And above all ... I have never talked about money
The sale of this watch is not able to change anyone's life and as a result, if I have time and will, I will continue on my way ... but my Pre-Apollo-Soyuz will come with me.
Since we are discussing watches and this, until proven otherwise, is a forum of Omega watches, I do not understand what the absurdities are!
if you are able to answer our / my doubts and questions (or absurdity as you say), I kindly ask you to share with us the information you have, so we would close this discussion forever.
Thank you
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tyrantlizardrex
·The absurdity is that you appear to have no facts, but lots of theories.
And that you repeat yourself. A lot.
And that you repeat yourself. A lot.
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tyrantlizardrex
·“A matter of principal”... you have the watch, if you like it, and it’s not for sale, then it doesn’t matter.
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·The absurdity is that you appear to have no facts, but lots of theories.
And that you repeat yourself. A lot.
on one thing you have absolutely right;
I repeat myself but
If you look at the various posts, some saied me the same questions and I answered ...
however I take it as a compliment ...
I prefer to always say the same thing instead of changing version to each post...
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·
I also noticed another thing in this image; the descriptive card. This indicates two dates or better, two years of production; 1975 and 1976
the experts say that the production of Apollo-Soyuz watches began in mid-1976, but this descriptive card also indicates 1975.
why?
Also Mr. Brandon (Omega Museum) confirmed that production began at the end of 1975.
this is a further confirmation that there is a production of Apollo-Soyuz that anticipates the official one and that the movements of this series are of the year 1975
I apologize to @TsoloT if I have posted a photo of him without asking permission...
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CTS-V
·Hey team.....just showed up to this thread....we ready to do this?!?!?!
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TheGreatKat
·Finally I got through this tread. Really crazy stories here. Im searching for more as it stoped suddenly so maybe can find something more on the forum. Didnt know its so deep topic.
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pdxleaf
·Finally I got through this tread. Really crazy stories here. Im searching for more as it stoped suddenly so maybe can find something more on the forum. Didnt know its so deep topic.
Crystal clear now? 😁
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TheGreatKat
·Crystal clear now? 😁
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eugeneandresson
·@TheGreatKat ... if you do decide to subscibe to a membership, the perfect avatar tagline for you can be 'Threadcrofiliac' 😝
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TheGreatKat
·@TheGreatKat ... if you do decide to subscibe to a membership, the perfect avatar tagline for you can be 'Threadcrofiliac' 😝
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eugeneandresson
·Haha, good one! But right, I love all that historic threads. Its so much fun (but in many cases knowledge as well)!
It’s all good … you are resurrecting good threads… this is place is a treasure trove if one knows how to search and has the time to sift through the noise 👍
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pdxleaf
·As long as you don't give into the green eyed monster of envy when seeing these amazing specimens from an earlier day. 😟
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Mtlguy
·Dear all,
Sorry for coming so late in this thread...
A lot has already been said about this, but what I would like to add is:
1. With Anthony we are always open to get new information, not everything is always 100% accurate, that's why we clearly indicate in MWO that this is an unfinished research project and that's why we tried to improve in the second edition and will do so if we publish other editions in the future
2. We spent days at OMEGA to search for invoices, even several years after 1976 in order not to miss late production. The only we got were:
200x delivered on 12 April 1976,
170x delivered on 3 May 1976,
20x delivered on 11 May 1976,
10x delivered on 5 July 1976.
All of these 400 "official" are between 39.180.860 and 39.181.389
3. The "unofficial" others we are aware of are in the serial 31, 32.2, 32.8, 39.9 and 45.5 millions. Some of the "early" were delivered in June 1975 already, BEFORE the Apollo-Soyuz mission itself. Don't speak about the late, that's total stupidity by Omegamania, no coherence with date and country.
Facts:
1. the batch of 400 "official" is clearly indicated "Apollo" in the invoices, is in a coherent grouped batch and delivered in 4 batches between April and July 1976.
2. the few examples with early s/n were originally sent as regular 145.022 before A-S mission. Then probably reshaped as A-S when de Marchi asked for / received spare parts.
3. We have not observed any limited serie (LS) number >400 in the official batch, and only number 461 in the "unofficial" ones. Please send us information if you have more about the LS numbers
In conclusion, we think that:
1. there were only 400 "official" models recorded by OMEGA
2. all others are the result of De Marchi, using movements (and possibly sometimes cases) from regular 145.022, some (if not all) dating before the A-S mission.
3. the engraving "I xxx Ω" was made by De Marchi (quality is so different from what OMEGA did), the reason why there is no info at the OMEGA archives and possibly why the only number >400 is with an "unofficial" example. But we might be wrong, only supposition at this point.
Last point regarding the original actors of this story: there were errors on all sides.
1. If De Marchi decided to create an additional batch of A-S after the official ones, he should have informed OMEGA. Using movements from classical 145.022 would be called today "frankenwatch" in some situations. If we can find out official information from OMEGA or from De Marchi about an additional 100 or so examples, we would be pleased to integrate it in our research.
2. OMEGA, by associating with Omegamania, made an error by letting too many wrong watches to be sold, among them uncoherent A-S models.
As written at the beginning of my message, we are always keen with new information to make knowledge progress, so please do not hesitate to contact us.
PS. forget what Brandon told you, he is not with OMEGA since many years and things have changed since
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