Omega 165.024 restoration opinions welcomed

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That looks good! For your record, as soon as your watchmaker has polished the gasket groove, get him to photograph the result of that polished section. It would very interesting to compare the before and after!

The corrosion can sometimes give you some indication of history of the type of environment that the original owner used it such as tropical environments and activities for example ! 馃憤
 
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Have you considered cleaning the residual tritium out of the hour and minute hand, and just leaving them as skeleton hands?
 
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I'll be rooting for you. I bought a project Omega as well, and the estimate for service was $4,000-$5,000 plus the cost of a donor movement, due to rust.

So what did I do? I bought a second movement with slight rust for $150, and I'm going to attempt to clean the parts of both movements myself, and then present both to watchmakers until one agrees to take it on. I'm probably a nightmare for a watchmaker, but once rust is involved, they seem to just see dollar signs. $$$
While I am inclined to agree with @Archer on the value of replacing rusted parts; I have had luck using evap-O-Rust and alum pickling solution to remove rusted parts from 5xx plates. This is all and good until one find that they need a lot of 35$ to 65$ parts for the half dozen or so movements I did this too. And often as not it is the winding pinon and clutch wheel that one needs the most of. These vary between standard set and quickset. and a 563.1568 correcting yoke as much as 60$ on the second hand market.

Evap-O-Rust turns the parts black. So they need a lot of polishing which then of course affects the performance.

Alum dissolves the parts completely. Which are often screws, stems and casing clamps.

Of course with so many movements, cases become desirable. So a 165.024 starts looking really tempting. Yet replica cases seem to be listed for as much or more than the genuine parts are. Probably as this was one of the most popular 'kit' watches.

Newer technologies like fiber lasers can replicate some of these parts, but then they are not at all 'factory.'
 
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@Horologist Hi, yes, I`ll ask for the photos, once the case is on the bench. And yes, as stated earlier, the watch has spent its whole live in and on and close to the sea... my experience is, that CB cases are more prone to corrosion, than HF cases... may be just mine experience, but what about yours?

@southtexas Yes, I was considering it. I like the steampunk look of it, that`s why it caught my attention. That is also a reason, why I will use different set of hands and keep this skeletonized pair in the box if I ever change my mind...

Movement parts: in the past I was able to source quite a few of pristine movements on ebay for +-100 euro, even some NOS 565 movements for 200 e... not so easy nowdays and I can imagine, how pricy could be the movement restoration, if all needed parts were ordered from Omega....

Cases: everything can be done today with all the possibilities of 3d scans and cnc machines, but it will never be original... I was offered, if I want to have the case made from scratch, but I of course refused. I know my fellow friends are making new cases mainly for Tag Heuer chrono vintage watches from stainless, so they are capable of. As the original cases are chromed brass, they are often beyond repair.
And to the question of laser welding the cavity corrosion on stainles - I asked them, it can be done, but the affected areas has to be grinded/drilled out to healthy material first, welded and grinded to shape... can be done, but quite a lot of work as you can imagine.

Will keep you updated/entertained on this project, that`s why fora is for, isn`t it? 馃榾 Good luck to everyone.
 
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@Horologist Hi, yes, I`ll ask for the photos, once the case is on the bench. .
I look forward to seeing the polished gasket groove!!! Sometimes you can be lucky that what appears to be surface rust is residue from dirt caked onto the steel.
@Horologist my experience is, that CB cases are more prone to corrosion, than HF cases... may be just mine experience, but what about yours?
Yes, on average it is true, but it all depends on the environment you expose it to and the acidity of your skin residue oxidants affecting the chromium layer. It is really all statistical. I did have a couple of CB cases which showed more corrosion on the outside than on the inside mating parts. There are anomalies with this which to some degree does not always behave as an exact Science. My best experiences have been with LL cases as they are low in carbon whilst HF is also Austenitic stainless designed for higher temperature application whilst preserving strength and corrosion resistance.
 
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Movement parts: in the past I was able to source quite a few of pristine movements on ebay for +-100 euro, even some NOS 565 movements for 200 e... not so easy nowdays and I can imagine, how pricy could be the movement restoration, if all needed parts were ordered from Omega....
Buying up used movements is certainly a way to get good parts, and if the parts you need are not typical wear parts (like some setting parts for example - I don't think I've never replaced a worn out yoke) it can be a good way of getting replacements cheaply.

However I've bought up used movements for this purpose, only to find that the worn parts I'm trying to replace are worn in all the used movements as well. Last year I serviced a vintage watch (not Omega) and I had 5 used movements for it on hand already, and the watch owner sent me 5 more - none of these 10 movements had the parts needed as they were all worn. So after all the expense of buying, shipping, disassembling, and cleaning these, it was all for nothing.

For an amateur buying up movements in the hope that the parts are good is fine - you are doing this as a hobby. For me, time is money, so if I can buy the parts from Omega that is going to be my choice almost every time, unless the owner of the watch wants to spend the time looking for used movements and buying them. But then I have to disassemble them all, clean them all, then check the parts - added labour that they will pay for, that cuts into the savings.

The watch in question here has a badly rusted pallet fork - this tells me that the rust is deep into the movement, and not just in the setting parts near the stem. That pallet fork cannot be saved with evaporust and a polish - it needs to be replaced, likely along with every other train wheel and automatic winding wheel - usually if the rust is that far in, almost all the wheels will need replacing. The big issue is almost always the balance - if the staff is rusted it can be replaced, but if the balance spring is rusted then a new balance will be needed, and this can often make or break the value of restoring a rusted movement, because it is often the most expensive part to purchase. Unless you have a good donor a new balance will be many hundreds from Omega.
 
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We do. Because we know how expensive parts are and how even a little rust can cause the need for a whole lot of new parts.
Of course. It is just like any other field, we hobbyists try to get good deals that backfire big time, but it's not like this is rocket science, so anyone can at least clean and oil most parts, given enough time and patience. If it's a hobby, we pretend we didn't spend 100 hours on the project, and count our $153 in savings as amazing profit. Just part of the fun.

That or we bin the thing and it is one day found in our estate, then tossed.
 
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but it's not like this is rocket science, so anyone can at least clean and oil most parts, given enough time and patience.
Correct, and in the watchmaking section I've gone to great lengths to help demystify the proper methods and procedures to help out amateur watchmakers (and likely some professionals too). But when customers complain because the watch runs 1 second per day out of spec, you know you need more than just the ability to clean and oil...

So we definitely agree that what a hobbyist does and how they work, is quite different than the expectations and demands made on the pros. 馃憤
 
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Correct, and in the watchmaking section I've gone to great lengths to help demystify the proper methods and procedures to help out amateur watchmakers (and likely some professionals too). But when customers complain because the watch runs 1 second per day out of spec, you know you need more than just the ability to clean and oil...

So we definitely agree that what a hobbyist does and how they work, is quite different than the expectations and demands made on the pros. 馃憤
Absolutely.