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Tony C.
··Ωf Jury memberVery interesting about the crown. I would have reflexively said that it should unsigned, but haven't studied the timeline for signed crowns, and certainly defer to Erich's judgement.
Omega Jumbo ref. 2181, cal. 30T2 - opinions welcome
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oddboy
·Your serial number is pretty high compared to mine (9.264.xxx) - so around 1950
IMHO your winding crown might be legit for that late 2181-2 I would not swap it - it looks quite used at the teeth - so it is reasonable that it left the factory with this crown...
Thanks Erich! As always, I'm humbled by the kmowledge here.
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Bill Sohne
··Bill @ ΩFHi
Entire watch looks to be original ..
The dial is quite nice.
Good hunting
Bill sohne
Entire watch looks to be original ..
The dial is quite nice.
Good hunting
Bill sohne
hey guys,
I'm trying to get my mind off other things, so I've been wearing this. It just came in today.
It was sold to me as a 2181 with 30T2 manual wind movement. When I was considering it, I queried some of the masters here on OF, and I got mixed opinions. I bought it anyway, and now that I have it, I'd like to get some feedback and see if we can come to consensus on the dial. Some feedback I had points to the 5 and 7 o'clock markers and how they dip into the subdials as a possible sign of a redial. Other opinion differs and says it's OK. Obviously the dial has some staining around 11 and between 3 and 4.
Other than that, how's the rest? Case OK? Crown original? I haven't been able to find too much about these. OVDB doesn't seem to have a 2181 listed. There is a 2180 listed that appears to match the traits, but there's no reference pics. They also have an OT 2181, but it's a solid gold case. I found a few threads here and elsewhere. Some of those are obvious redials, or much more degraded in condition.
I'd gladly welcome any and all feedback - good or bad. Don't be shy.
On to some pics...
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Bill Sohne
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tdn-dk
·I vote for original dial (on OP's)
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François Pépin
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Could be. The pic is not so good (probably because of me), so hard to tell.
By the way, I have found what seems identical dials as the OP's one. The pics come from the same person (maybe a member of the forum?), ChrisB. Not sure if there are different or the same watch:
So this kind of dial seems to be found in jumbo 30 t2. But I have not found many of them, so maybe not so usual.
In these pics, there is still something which bothers me: the size of the hands. Sometimes (OP's watch), the sec and minute hand seems a little short (juste a little bit), sometimes (pics above), the sec hand is OK, but the other hands seem too short.
Actually, I may be too skepical! Well, I like skepticism in philosophy - but it may be more delicate on other people watches!
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oddboy
·Looks like the same dial, but not my dial. Mine has some staining between 11-12, and 3-4. Also different case... but nice to see another dial with the same fonts and layout.
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François Pépin
·Sorry, I was not clear. I meant: I do not know if the different pics I posted above come from one watch or several - as the owner is the same.
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Modest_Proposal
·Sorry, but I must contradict - there is no such rule on early Omegas - I have seen even worse (uneven) "overlaps" on vintage original watches of that era.
The "background" area of the dial is so evenly and finely brushed vertically which is near impossible to replicate... and also the rim of the sunken subdial area is so crisp... These are my most significant hints for an original dial.
The print is crisp, the fonts and proportions are exactly what I expect from such a watch.
If this is a redial - I would be happy to find this artisan to have him work on some of my project dials!
I think Mac_Omega really nailed it on the head here. It's really uncomfortable to say that it's original, with the significant overlap over the subdial... but you have to look at the bigger picture. The other aspect of the dial lend themselves to it being original.
Reminds me of an Omega watch that I recently received, which also has bleeding.
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François Pépin
·I agree. And as there are other dials of the same model, I think now there is no longer any doubt it is original.
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oddboy
·Thanks guys! Seems we have concensus!
Now, here's the back story, which is (I think) unrelated to the main point of the thread.
I've hinted a few times on these pages that I wanted a jumbo. A few weeks ago, a member brought one to my attention that was listed over on orologi ff. Both he and I tried to figure out how to send a pm, but as any decent forum should, they have rules. You have to post 5 times on public threads before you can send PMs. By the time we figured things out, the watch was sold. Booo. However the other OF member made contact with the seller who said he had a line on another jumbo. Said OF member put the seller and I in direct contact and we began discussing. I sent him a pic of the jumbo I liked most and he happily indicated that he thought I would be pleased. A few days later I got some pics of this watch and bought it within a few hours (after running it by some friends and masters here).
I love the watch, even with the stains. I'd still like it even if it was a redial, but I'm quite pleased with the outcome here.
As always, I greatly appreciate the time and effort you guys put in here!
Now, here's the back story, which is (I think) unrelated to the main point of the thread.
I've hinted a few times on these pages that I wanted a jumbo. A few weeks ago, a member brought one to my attention that was listed over on orologi ff. Both he and I tried to figure out how to send a pm, but as any decent forum should, they have rules. You have to post 5 times on public threads before you can send PMs. By the time we figured things out, the watch was sold. Booo. However the other OF member made contact with the seller who said he had a line on another jumbo. Said OF member put the seller and I in direct contact and we began discussing. I sent him a pic of the jumbo I liked most and he happily indicated that he thought I would be pleased. A few days later I got some pics of this watch and bought it within a few hours (after running it by some friends and masters here).
I love the watch, even with the stains. I'd still like it even if it was a redial, but I'm quite pleased with the outcome here.
As always, I greatly appreciate the time and effort you guys put in here!
